(Minor Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation
Oswald T. Allis
John A. Broadus
Wilhelm De Wette
Charles Homer Giblin
Johann von Hug
J, F, and Brown
Jean Le Clerc
Jack P. Lewis
Sir Isaac Newton
Dr. John Owen
William W. Patton
Rudolph E. Stier
(Major Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation
John L. Bray
Dr. John Brown
Francis X. Gumerlock
J. Marcellus Kik
Ovid Need, Jr
Milton S. Terry
(Virtually No Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 & Revelation in 1st
C. - Types Only ; Also Included are "Higher Critics" Not Associated With Any
Alan Patrick Boyd
John N. Darby
Charles G. Finney
J.P. Green Sr.
John N.D. Kelly
Dr. John Smith
George Fox |
Margaret Fell (Fox) |
PRETERIST UNIVERSALISM |
MODERN PRETERISM |
"The destruction of Jerusalem was more terrible than anything that
the world has ever witnessed, either before or since. Even Titus seemed to
see in his cruel work the hand of an avenging God"
Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Charles Spurgeon, Full-Preterism,
and Figurative Language "I would take a guess this quote
was taken from the Preterist Archive: C.H. Spurgeon. Those involved with
Preterism appear to look for anything written by anybody in regard to
A.D. 70 and the fall of Jerusalem (simply skim through the pages at the
Preterist Archive). The Preterist Archive (now partial preterist) takes
this quote without explaining the context." (First posted the quote in
its entirety in 1997. Also, the native theology at PreteristArchive.com
Israel and Britain: A Note of Warning (1885) "They went so far as to
crucify him, and cried as they did so, "His blood be on us, and our
children," words so sadly verified when Jerusalem was destroyed, and her
children slaughtered, sold as slaves, or scattered to the four corners of
the earth. It was indeed, a terrible blindness which happened unto Israel.
But although this blindness was a punishment for former sin, it was itself
a sin. They willfully rejected the testimony of God against themselves;
they refused the self-evident Christ who would so greatly have blessed
them. This wilful rejection was carried out so effectually that it became
impossible to convert and heal them; they could not be instructed, or
reformed, and therefore they were given over to destruction. Nothing
remained but to allow the Romans to burn the temple and plough the site of
the city. It was a dreadful thing that they should deliberately choose
destruction, and obstinately involve themselves in the most tremendous of
woes. Poor Israel, we pity thee! It was sad indeed to fall from so great a
height! Yet we are bound to admit that God dealt with thee justly, for
thou didst choose thine own delusions. The Lord cries, "Oh that my people
had harkened unto me."
Spurgeon's End Times Words of Wisdom - "Here are a few
tittles on His views on the end times. Here be some good and sane
common sense! I find myself saying amen to many of these
sentiments. Maybe he did over react a little to the ‘prophecy-extremes‘
in his day, and we could clearly do the same if we are not careful (I
also reacted to prophetic extremes by believing preterism for a
"I conceive that among religious people of a
certain sort, the abortive explanations of prophecy issued by
certain doctors gratify a craving, which in irreligious people finds
its foods in novels and romances."
"Guess not at the precise era for the destruction
of Antichrist; go and destroy it yourself, fighting against it every
day. But be looking forward and hastening unto the coming of the Son
of Man, and let this be at once your comfort and excitement to
diligence, that the Savior will soon come from Heaven."
"Those who kiss not the
sceptre of silver, shall be broken with the rod of iron. They who
will not have Christ to reign over them in love, shall have him rule
over them in terror in the day when he puts on the garments of
vengeance, and dyes his vesture in the blood of his foes. O
acknowledge him as he is covered with his own blood, lest you have
to acknowledge him when he is covered with yours!"
(On the Increase of His Government - Isa
"It would be easy to show that at our
present rate of progress the kingdoms of this world never could become the
kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ. Indeed, many in the Church are
giving up the idea of it except on the occasion of the advent of Christ,
which, as it chimes in with our own idleness, is likely to be a popular
doctrine. I myself believe that King Jesus will reign, and the idols be
utterly abolished; but I expect the same power which turned the world
upside down once will still continue to do it. The Holy Ghost would never
suffer the imputation to rest upon His holy name that He was not able to
convert the world."
(Taken from jacket of
(On the book,
"The second coming of Christ according to this volume had its
fulfilment in the destruction of Jerusalem and the establishment of the
gospel dispensation... Amidst the many comings of Christ spoken of in the
New Testament that which is spoken of as a second, must, we think, be
personal, and thus similar to the first; and such too must be the meaning
of 'his appearing.' Though the author's theory is carried too far, it has
so much of truth in it, and throws so much new light upon obscure portions
of the Scriptures, and is accompanied with so much critical research and
close reasoning, that it can be injurious to none and may be profitable to
all." [Reprinted from the October 1878 issue of The Sword and the
"carefully read through the sixteenth chapter of Matthew, and you will
find nothing about the siege of Jerusalem there. Yet, this is the
interpretation that finds favor at present." (When Christ Returns, p. 11)
"The destruction of Jerusalem was more terrible than anything that
the world has ever witnessed, either before or since. Even Titus seemed to
see in his cruel work the hand of an avenging God. (Commentary on Matthew,
Truly, the blood of the martyrs slain in Jerusalem was amply avenged
when the whole city became a veritable Aceldama, or field of blood... It
was before that generation had passed away that Jerusalem was besieged and
destroyed. There was a sufficient interval for the full proclamation of
the gospel by the apostles and evangelists of the early Christian Church,
and for the gathering out of those who recognized the crucified Christ as
their true Messiah. Then came the awful end, which the Saviour foresaw and
foretold, and the prospect of which wrung from his lips and heart the
sorrowful lament that followed his prophecy of the doom awaiting his
guilty capital... Nothing remained for the King but to pronounce the
solemn sentence of death upon those who would not come unto him that they
might have life: "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."
The whole "house" of the Jews was left desolate when Jesus
departed from them; and the temple, the holy and beautiful
"house", became a spiritual desolation when Christ finally left
is. Jerusalem was too far gone to be rescued from its self-sought doom."
(Commentary on Matthew, p. 412,413)
"The King left his followers in no doubt
as to when these things should happen: "Verily
I say unto you, This generation shall not pass till all these things be
fulfilled." It was just about the
ordinary limit of a generation when the Roman armies compassed Jerusalem,
whose measure of iniquity was then full, and overflowed in misery, agony,
distress, and bloodshed such as the world never saw before or since. Jesus
was a true Prophet; everything that he foretold was literally
fulfilled." (The Gospel of the Kingdom, p.218)
Years and That Generation)
The Kingly Prophet foretold the time of the
end: "Verily I say unto you, All these
things shall come upon this generation."
It was before that generation had passed away that Jerusalem was besieged
and destroyed. There was a sufficient interval for the full proclamation
of the gospel by the apostles and evangelists of the early Christian
Church, and for the gathering out of those who recognized the crucified
Christ as their true Messiah. Then came the awful end, which the Savior
foresaw and foretold, and the prospect of which wrung from his lips and
heart the sorrowful lament that followed his prophecy of the doom awaiting
his guilty capital." (in loc.)
"If a child were to read this passage I know what he would
think it meant: he would suppose Jesus Christ was to come, and there were
some standing there who should not taste death until really and literally he
did come. This, I believe, is the plain meaning... The third
(interpretative possibility) still holds its ground and is currently
received, though I believe it to be quite as far from the Truth of God as
the others. Will you carefully read the chapter through at your leisure and
see if you can find anything about the siege of Jerusalem in it? Yet this is
the interpretation that finds favor at the present time!" ("An Awful
Premonition" in 12 Sermons on the Second Coming of Christ - Grand
Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1976, 5)
(On Matthew 24:2)
"To them the appearance was glorious; but to
their Lord it was a sad sight. His Father’s house, which ought to have
been a house of prayer for all nations, had became a den of thieves, and
soon would be utterly destroyed: Jesus said
unto them, "See
ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, there shall not be left
here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."
Josephus tells us that Titus at first tried to save the temple, even after
it was set on fire, but his efforts were of no avail; and at last he gave
orders that the whole city and temple should be levelled, except a small
portion reserved for the garrison. This was so thoroughly done that the
historian says that "there was left nothing to make those that came
thither believe it had ever been inhabited."
(On Matthew 24:4)
"They were to beware lest any of the pretended Messiahs should
lead them astray, as they would pervert many others. A large number of
impostors came forward before the destruction of Jerusalem, giving out
that they were the anointed of God"
24:15-21 , the Abomination of Desolation)
"This portion of our Saviour's words appears to relate solely to the
destruction of Jerusalem. As soon as Christ's disciples saw "the
abomination of desolation," that is, the Roman ensigns, with their
idolatries, "stand in the holy place," they knew that the time
for their escape had arrived; and they did flee to the mountains." (Matthew:
The Gospel of the Kingdom. . p. 215.)
"The Christians in Jerusalem and the
surrounding towns and villages, "in
Judea ", availed
themselves of the first opportunity for eluding the Roman armies, and fled
to the mountain city of Pella, in Perea, where they were preserved from the
general destruction which overthrew the Jews. There was no time to spare
before the final investment of the guilty city; the man "on
the house-top" could "not
come down to take anything out of his house",
and the man "in
the field" could not "return
back, to take his clothes." They must
flee to the mountains in the greatest haste the moment that they saw
"Jerusalem compassed with armies "(Luke 21:20)."
(On Matthew 24:17)
the end come." Before Jerusalem was
destroyed, "this gospel of the kingdom."
was probably "preached in all the world"
so far as it was then known.."
shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the
world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."
Read the record written by Josephus of the destruction of Jerusalem, and
see how truly our Lord’s words were fulfilled. The Jews impiously said,
concerning the death of Christ, "His blood be on us, and on our
children." Never did any other people invoke such an awlful curse
upon themselves, and upon no other nation did such a judgment ever fall.
We read of Jews crucified till there was no more wood for making crosses;
of thousands of the people slaying one another in their fierce faction
fights within the city; of so many of them being sold for slaves that they
became a drug in the market, and all but valueless; and of the fearful
carnage when the Romans at length entered the doomed capital; and the
blood-curdling story exactly bears out the Savior’s statement uttered
nearly forty years before the terrible events occurred."
"The destruction of Jerusalem was more terrible than
anything that the world has ever witnessed, either before or since. Even
Titus seemed to see in his cruel work the hand of an avenging God. (Commentary on Matthew, p. 412)
"Truly, the blood of the martyrs slain in Jerusalem was amply avenged
when the whole city became veritable Aceldama, or field of blood." (Commentary on
Matthew, p. 412,413)
"Our Lord appears to have purposely mingled the prophecies concerning
the destruction of Jerusalem and his own second coming, so that there
should be nothing in his words to satisfy idle curiosity, " (Matthew:
The Gospel of the Kingdom. p. 217)
(On Matthew 24:32-33)
"Our Lord here evidently returns to
often made use of its illuminated the subject of the destruction of
Jerusalem, and in these words gives his apostles warning concerning the
signs of the times. He had recently used the barren fig tree as an
object-lesson; he now bids his disciples "learn
a parable of the fig tree" and all the
trees (Luke 21:31). God’s great book of nature is full of illustrations
for those who have eyes to perceive them; and the Lord Jesus, the great
Creator, often made use of its illuminated pages in conveying instruction
to the minds of his hearers. On this occasion, he used a simple simile
from the parable of the fig-tree: "When
his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is
nigh." They could not mistake so plain a
token of the near return of summer; and Jesus would have them read quite
as quickly the signs that were to herald the coming judgment on Jerusalem:
"So likewise ye, when ye shall see all
these things, know that it is near, even at the doors."
The Revised Version has the words, "Know ye that he is nigh,"
the Son of man, the King. His own nation rejected him when he came in
mercy; so his next coming would be a time of terrible judgment and
retribution to his guilty capital. Oh, that Jews and Gentiles today were
wise enough to learn the lesson of that fiery trial, and to seek his face,
those wrath they cannot bear!"
(On Matthew 22:7)
"In these terrible words, the siege of
Jerusalem, the massacre of the people, and the destruction of their
capital are all described. "When the
king heard thereof, he was wroth. The King
had reached the utmost limit of his forbearance and long-suffering
patience. "The cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath"
overflowed when he heard how his servants had been maltreated and slain; and:
he sent forth his armies. The Roman emperor
thought that he was sending his armies
against the Jews; but he was, unconsciously, working out the eternal
purposes of the most High God, even as the kings of Assyria and Babylon
had been, in the olden time, the instruments by which the Lord had
punished his rebellious people (see Isaiah 10:5, Jeremiah 25:9).
"The cruel executioners did their terrible
work in the most thorough manner. Read Josephus, and see how the Romans destroyed:
those murderers, and burned up their city. The
words are remarkable in their awful force and accuracy. Only Omniscience
could foresee and foretell so fully and faithfully the woes that were to
befall the murderers and their city."
'Millennial Reign' of Christ)
"Those who wish to see the arguments upon the unpopular side of the
great question at issue, will find them here; this is probably one of the
ablest of the accessible treatises from that point of view. We cannot
agree with Mr. Young, neither can we refute him. It might tax the
ingenuity of the ablest prophetical writers to solve all the difficulties
here started, and perhaps it would be unprofitable to attempt the task. .
. (review of Short Arguments about the Millennium; or plain proofs for
plain Christians that the coming of Christ will not be pre-millennial;
that his reign will not be personal, B. C. Young. In The Sword and
Trowel 1:470 (October 1867).
(On the "Israel of God")
"Difference of dispensation does not involve a difference of
covenant; and it is according to the covenant of grace that all spiritual
blessings are bestowed. So far as dispensations reach they indicate
degrees of knowledge, degrees of privilege, and variety in the ordinances
of worship. The unity of the faith is not affected by these, as we are
taught in the eleventh chapter of the epistle to the Hebrews. The faithful
of every age concur in looking for that one city, and that city is
identically the same with the New Jerusalem described in the Apocalypse as
"a bride adorned for her husband."(Spurgeon, "There be some
that Trouble You," in The Sword and Trowel, (March 1867), 120.)
(On Luke 21:28-31)
"But all that time, —the most awful time, perhaps that any nation
ever endured,— the disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ were altogether
unharmed. It is recorded that they fled to the little city of Pella, were
quiet according to their Lord's command, and that not a hair on their head
perished." (Joyful Anticipation of the Second Advent,
Heavens and Earth)
"Did you ever regret the absence of the burnt-offering, or the red
heifer, of any one of the sacrifices and rites of the Jews? Did you ever
pine for the feast of tabernacle, or the dedication? No, because, though
these were like the old heavens and earth to the Jewish believers, they
have passed away, and we now live under a new heavens and a new earth,
so far as the dispensation of divine teaching is concerned. The substance
is come, and the shadow has gone: and we do not remember it."
(Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit, vol. xxxvii, p. 354).
(On Revelation 21:2)
"And there was no more sea." --Revelation 21:1
Scarcely could we rejoice at the thought of losing the glorious old ocean:
the new heavens and the new earth are none the fairer to our imagination,
if, indeed, literally there is to be no great and wide sea, with its
gleaming waves and shelly shores. Is not the text to be read as a
metaphor, tinged with the prejudice with which the Oriental mind
universally regarded the sea in the olden times? A real physical world
without a sea it is mournful to imagine, it would be an iron ring without
the sapphire which made it precious. There must be a spiritual meaning
here. In the new dispensation there will be no division--the sea
separates nations and sunders peoples from each other. To John in Patmos
the deep waters were like prison walls, shutting him out from his brethren
and his work: there shall be no such barriers in the world to come.
Leagues of rolling billows lie between us and many a kinsman whom to-night
we prayerfully remember, but in the bright world to which we go there
shall be unbroken fellowship for all the redeemed family. In this sense
there shall be no more sea. The sea is the emblem of change; with its ebbs
and flows, its glassy smoothness and its mountainous billows, its gentle
murmurs and its tumultuous roarings, it is never long the same. Slave of
the fickle winds and the changeful moon, its instability is proverbial. In
this mortal state we have too much of this; earth is constant only in her
inconstancy, but in the heavenly state all mournful change shall be
unknown, and with it all fear of _storm_ to wreck our hopes and drown our
joys. The sea of glass glows with a glory unbroken by a wave. No tempest
howls along the peaceful shores of paradise. Soon shall we reach that
happy land where partings, and changes, and storms shall be ended! Jesus
will waft us there. Are we in Him or not? This is the grand
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- 10 Nov 2003
"The Parousia" Book Review
by C. H. SPURGEON
The continued DISTORTION of Spurgeon's views by "PRETERISTS" by Bob L. Ross
A book entitled THE PAROUSIA was issued by J. Stuart Russell (1816-1895) in 1878, and it was reprinted in 1983 by Baker Book House in collaboration with Walter Hibbard of Great Christian Books. On the back cover of the large paperback book, A FEW WORDS were excerpted from C. H. SPURGEON which, IF 'taken' by themselves alone, would imply that Spurgeon had a certain favorable view of the book (which is actually misleading on the whole).
We are reprinting the ENTIRE REVIEW to give the totality of Spurgeon's opinion on the book — and the "Preterist" view of prophecy which it presents.
Reviewed in THE SWORD AND THE TROWEL Magazine, October 1879, page 553.
C. H. Spurgeon on "PRETERISTS"
"The second coming of Christ according to this volume had its fulfilment in the destruction of Jerusalem and the establishment of the gospel dispensation. That the parables and predictions of our Lord had a more direct and exclusive reference to that period than is generally supposed, we readily admit; but we were not prepared for the assignment of all references to a second coming in the New Testament, and even in the Apocalypse itself, to so early a fulfilment. All that could be said has been said in support of this theory, and much more than ought to have been said.
In this the REASONING FAILS.
In order to concentrate the whole prophecies of the Book of Revelation upon the period of the destruction of Jerusalem it was needful to assume this book to have been written prior to that event, although the earliest ecclesiastical historians agree that John was banished to the isle of Patmos, where the book was written, by Domitian, who reigned after Titus, by whom Jerusalem was destroyed. Apart from this consideration, the compression of all the Apocalyptic visions and prophecies into so narrow a space requires more ingenuity and strength than that of men and angels combined. Too much stress is laid upon such phrases as 'The time is at hand,' 'Behold I come quickly,' whereas many prophecies of Scripture are delivered as present or past, as 'unto us a child IS born,' etc., and 'Surely he HATH borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows.' Amidst the many comings of Christ spoken of in the New Testament that which is spoken of as a second, must, we think, be personal, and thus similar to the first; and such too must be the meaning of 'his appearing.' Though the author's theory is carried too far, it...
[Note: At this point in the half-page review, the 'Preties' have "sliced-off" the following words in BLUE, and then printed them on the back-cover of the Stuart book, as if to imply Spurgeon's "endorsement" of the book. Please note that every preceding line has been in a critical and negative category, while the following words are but a meager "conciliatory" remark, which was Spurgeon's usual manner in finding some 'positive' commendation for practically all the books sent to him by publishers for review. Now, the remainder of the sentence...]
...has so much of truth in it, and throws so much new light upon obscure portions of the Scriptures, and is accompanied with so much critical research and close reasoning, that it can be injurious to none and may be profitable to all."
- it was these brief LAST (few) words that were MISused as an "ENDORSEMENT" by the Preterists on the book's cover!
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The Historical Background
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"A. D. 70" — Was ANY Prophecy Fulfilled in A.D. 70?
The TIME of JESUS CHRIST'S RETURN
The POPE = The FALSE PROPHET
"RUSSIAN INVASION" of Israel — Ezek. 38-39 Erroneous Interpretation
RAPTURE 1998 — Are You Ready For the RAPTURE 5-31-98?
The HISTORICAL BACKGROUND of Modern "PRETERISM"
PRETERIST PROPHETIC PHANTASYLAND
JEWISH ORIGINS of "PRETERISM"
A PRIMER on "PRETERISM"
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- 09 Nov 2004
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT MATT.24;21 IS REFERRING TO THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM IN 70AD.THE VERSE PLAINLY SAYS "TRIBULATION" AND VERSE 29 REPEATS WHAT IS TAKING PLACE. HOW CAN ONE PLACE THE BOOK OF REVELATION AND ALL THAT TAKES PLACE IN THE TIME PERIOD OF 70AD? I REALIZE THAT CALVINIST BELIEVE THIS AND THE REFORMERS BUT CAREFUL STUDY DOES NOT SUPPORT THEIR VIEW.
Date: 07 Jul 2006
Traditional Christianity has taught us in the 16th to 20th centuries and
possibly before, that we are still living in the days of the early
church, and are waiting to be raptured-out of this world before the
great tribulation spoken-of in the book of Revelation and also by the
prophet Daniel of the Old Testament.
We do know by reading our earliest-known historical accounts, that the
earth went through a period of Dark Ages just before what historians
call “Medieval Times.”
But what we do not know is: what happened, and why...during the Dark
To find out what happened that brought-on this period of “dark history,”
we could extrapolate a theory—that is, we could calculate on the basis
of available information found in books of earliest history, or we could
take the words of both Jesus and Apostle Paul and see exactly what
The chapters in the Gospels that have to do with “tribulation” and the
“end of the age” are Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. They all begin
with the incidence of Jesus and His disciples departing from the temple:
and His disciples coming to Him remarking about the magnificence of the
buildings. Jesus said to them, “See how great these buildings are? -
There shall not be left one stone upon another that shall not be thrown
down.” [This prophecy came to pass around the year 70 A.D.] Then Jesus
went and sat on the mount of Olives, across from the Temple. Peter,
James and Andrew came privately and asked Him to tell them when those
things would be, and for signs that would let them know when all these
things would be fulfilled.
Traditional “time-line” seekers have interposed their thoughts about
what Jesus meant. Not understanding; nor being able to accept the fact
that all those things already took place around 70 AD. Because we’ve
been taught doctrines carried-over from the Roman Catholics, via the
“protestants,” we’re not able to separate the “last days” or “last
times” from “The Day of the Lord.” When He mentioned the “fig tree”
putting on new growth, Jesus was not talking to our generation...about
Israel becoming a new nation...In fact, in the passage of Luke 21, He
referred not only to the fig tree, but ALL the trees when they begin to
put-on new growth. He was using an allegory to re-enforce the importance
of watching for His Return. Then He said, ” So you, when you see these
things come to pass, know that the kingdom of God is near at hand, even
at the doors. This generation shall not pass away, till all these things
Date: 07 Jul 2006
Jesus was speaking to His disciples: Peter, James and Andrew. It was
their generation of people who saw these things come to pass. That’s why
He told them...when they see JERUSALEM COMPASSED WITH ARMIES, and the
ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION spoken of by Daniel, standing in the Holy
Place, then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains because in
those days there would be affliction, such as was not from the beginning
of the creation unto that time, nor afterward. He said that immediately
after the tribulation of that time, the sun would be darkened and the
moon not give her light and the stars of heaven would fall.
In study of ancient history, you find that there were various mentions
of stars falling from heaven, looking at the sun seemed like looking
through sackcloth, and the moon appearing red as blood. Then there were
the “dark ages” when afterward, calendars and times were changed by some
of the emperors and popes of the Roman Catholic ‘church’. The Word of
God even mentions this in Daniel 7:25. A man named Edward Gibbon who
lived during the 1700s wrote a book that comes to us in two large
volumes titled “THE DECLINE AND FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE.” These volumes
reveal the lives and times of all the popes from the earliest, which was
supposedly the Apostle Peter.
Now let’s take a really close look at Jesus’ answer to His disciples
when they asked Him about the end of the world, or the end of their age.
There are three phrases from Jesus words about His second coming, that
are very important in realizing the truth about the end of that age.
 “all these things,”
 “There are some standing here that shall not taste of death …”
 “This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a
witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come,
Date: 30 Nov 2006
I think that this is a dangerous false teaching. I say this for two
reasons. First, it has been the inspiration for anti-Semitic pogroms
against the Jewish people since the early days of Christianity. Two
thousand years of anti-Semitism in the name of Christ has not endeared
the Jewish people to this idea that Jesus is the promised Messiah. It is
the branches boasting against the root and that is clearly warned
against by the Apostle Paul in Romans 11:18.
Secondly, God's everlasting promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and His
pledge of fidelity to the children of Israel cannot be disregarded
anymore than His promises to the body of believers, the Church (Jews and
Gentiles who have been made one in Christ) can be abrogated. If God can
change His mind where the Jewish people are concerned, than He can also
change His mind about the Church.
You do a disservice to the gospel by excluding the Jewish people and the
instructions of Romans 1:16. Heaping condemnation upon them as if the
rejection of Jesus by their spiritual leaders dooms the entire race of
people to some sort of unpardonable sin lacks credibility. It is in fact
more odious than just leaving the lost sheep of the House of Israel out
of evangelistic outreaches; it destroys Jewish people spiritually by
negating God's promises to them. Even the New Covenant is clearly
established with the House of Israel and the House of Judah, Jer.
31:31-37; Rom. 9:4-5 (if Israel is the Church, who then is Judah?).
I remind you that the rejection of the leadership of Israel of their own
Messiah was clearly prophesied and that Acts 4:27 and Rom. 11:28-32
declares this to be part of God’s divine plan for the redemption of
mankind, to the Jew first and also to the Gentile. Any attempt to see
Romans 1:16 as past tense only serves to support my original premise
that preterism does not correctly divide the Word of truth. If it was to
the Jew first it must still be to the Jew first, lest it not be the
power of God unto salvation unto all that believe.
“I ask then: Did God reject His people? By no means!” Rom. 11:1. When
someone fails to rightly divide the Word of truth, it becomes evident
that false teaching leads to false conclusions. The Second Coming is the
final fulfillment of the New Covenant promises to the Jewish people as
noted prophetically in Zech. 12:10 and restated by Paul in Romans
11:26-27, “ And so all Israel shall be saved for out of Zion shall come
the Deliverer and He will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is
my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”
Who in their right mind would claim the millennial kingdom is already
here. Who would claim that the lion is laying down with the lamb and
children can play safely with poisonous snakes and only sinners will die
young, being only 100 years old. The Old Testament prophets all painted
a picture of the millennial kingdom of the Messiah to be a time on the
planet when the curse of Adam’s fall would be reversed. A kind of Edenic
kingdom would flourish during Christ physical reign over the planet from
the thrown of David in Jerusalem. Yet all of these Scriptures are
somehow disregarded or spiritualized away. Why?
A prayerful re-reading of Jeremiah 31:31-37 puts the truth to the false
teaching of preterism. God says when the sun, moon and stars cease to
shine, then He will reject Israel and not before. Furthermore the words
of the Savior warn of desolation for rejecting the Messiah on one hand
and the promise of restoration should they proclaim, as Bible clearly
teaches they will, “Blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord.”
I realize that this theology agrees with Covenant Reformed doctrine so
that your biblical worldview finds preterism compatible with that. I
also realize that you have emotionally invested in this teaching,
however I am asking you to consider the fruit of your theology. It is
important that we consider the influence our personal theological
beliefs have one others of like precious faith.
It was the faithfulness of the God of Israel to His Word and the
faithfulness of the Jewish apostles to their Savior that brought
salvation to the Gentiles. How are the Gentiles handling the Word of
Truth today with regard to God’s people Israel? Are they being as
faithful and gracious to them today as those early Jewish evangelists
were to the Gentiles? Not if their theology discounts the Jew’s rightful
place in God’s plan and fails to make reaching them with the Good News a
Rather t provoking them to jealousy (that they would want that personal
relationship with the Living God that we have been given in the Messiah)
we have more often than not justified the physical extermination of this
people, and know it has been extended to the spiritual excommunication
of the Jewish people altogether.
Date: 07 Jun 2009
Steven Rowitt's comments are accurate to an extent, though still
uninformed. NO - YHWH GOD has not turned His back on Israel and yes he
still has a plan for them, His covenant people. No, Israel can't be
"spiritualised" to mean all believers from all over the earth and all
peoples. And NO - The "Jews" of today are not The Israelites of the
Bible and YES they admit this in their own texts and NO this is not new
knowledge. Please see author Ted Weilands book "Israel - out of all
nations?" and his book "God's Covenant People - Yesterday Today and
Forever" avbl for FREE at www.missiontoisrael.org
[TD - I once held a written debate with Ted way back in the 20th
century. I hope he still has copies. I surely have mine.
Date: 24 Jul 2010
" I REALIZE THAT CALVINIST BELIEVE THIS"
Who told you that? I imagine some Calvinists believe this, but certainly
not all. I imagine many Arminianists also believe this theory.
But Calvinism vs Arminianism has nothing to do with this.
I tend to lean toward Calvinism, but I do not hold to Preterism at all.
Date: 05 Dec 2011
Spurgeon was NOT a preterist. He believed in the premillennial return of
Christ as a FUTURE event. Please remove his name from your list.
John R Ecob D.D.
[Sir, please read carefully. What you say is
acknowledged, while still pointing out his preterist statements.
Perhaps Spurgeon has something yet to teach you on the subject of