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others can locate - or manufacture - evidence of pretrib before
1830 that even Walvoord couldn't find?!"
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DeMar's "American Vision" - "Now back in print as of 2007, this is
MacPherson's most complete and most documented book on the Scottish
beginnings of the famous "any-moment, pretribulation rapture" -- the
1830 imaginative addition to what had previously been known as only
the "Second Coming" doctrine. See how plagiarism and subtle document
changes created the "mother of all revisionisms"! (Paperback, 300
REVIEW OF JOE ORTIZ' THE END
Over the years I've
had shelves of Bible prophecy books in my library. But there's a current
prophecy book I obtained that's a far cry from the usual dime-a-dozen
pop prophecy rewrites designed only to produce goose bumps in
prophecy-oriented groupies who are often found on internet message
boards and chat rooms.
The author of the unusual prophetic production, Joe Ortiz, chose "The
End Times Passover" as the title of his monumental work dealing with
Christian theology and especially various millennial and "rapture"
doctrines. The word "passover" in his title is explained in the last
sentence of the following paragraph on p. 117:
"Even more disconcerting is the pervasive and incessant promulgation of
these left behind mythologies that permeate the Christian publishing and
video markets of today, which are deluding millions of Christians into a
false sense of security, motivated more so by profit and temporal fame.
The author makes no apologies to these writers and preachers in regards
to this matter. While there exists much love by the author for all those
who claim to speak God's gospel truth about who is taken and who is
left, claiming that those taken are Christians and those left behind are
the heathen, it is inexcusable to persist in this folly when the word of
God clearly states His children of promise are left (Gr. aphiemi,
forgiven) alone, passed over, when He returns with great wrath!"
When one goes through Ortiz' scholarly masterpiece, he marvels at his
tenacious task of taking original Greek NT words and translating them
into English. If the reader wants light on the various "rapture" and
millennial views, heaven, hell, Middle East, Israel, church, and almost
every other topic bearing on the author's focus, "The End Times
Passover" is the one book no one can afford to pass over!
Because of recently uncovered data that had been forgotten or covered up
for more than a century, the Christian public now knows that the famous
(or infamous) pretribulation rapturescape is actually only 178 years
old, that John Darby (long credited wrongfully with either pretrib
rapture origination or its basic development) wasn't original on any
aspect of pretrib dispensationalism, and that pretrib rapturism since
its birth in 1830 has been utterly riddled with dishonesty (rampant
plagiarism, the subtle changing of primary documents, the deliberate
cover-up of contexts in Biblical passages, the flaunting of non-existent
or non-accredited academic degrees, etc.)!
While Ortiz' focus is only on the theology (and not history) of end time
views, he does lament on p. 194 that "This great secret pre-tribulation
"Rapture" scheme has gone on long enough. The development of theories to
fit the needs of those who have yet to develop complete and total trust
in God's promises is not only destructive to the growth and maturity of
the Christian Church, it impedes the Spirit of God from working in and
through his called out ones, the ecclesia of God, which needs to be used
by God to bring as many more sinners to Jesus before greater tribulation
than in past times comes upon mankind.
"Since the 1970's stunning new data has been surfacing about the
pretribulation rapture's long-covered-up beginnings in the 1800's. In
recent years several persons associated with Dallas Theological Seminary
(which had long been pretribized) have reportedly gone to Britain to
check on my research sources and then write books opposing my claims.
In 1990 an Ohio pastor told me that Dr. _____ _____, the most qualified
DTS prof, traveled there and came back and wrote nothing! The pastor
added that he and some others had a good laugh. But change was coming. "
Ruth Graham Letter to Dave MacPherson
THE RAPTURE INDEX (MAD THEOLOGY !)
First, let's explain "rapture" and then
Many Christian Right members in America believe in an imminent
"rapture" (a coming of Christ that reportedly happens SEVEN YEARS BEFORE
the famous Second Coming to earth).
The "great tribulation" in the Bible is said to occur during those
seven years. Therefore the rapture is viewed as a "pretribulation" event
and reportedly gives believers the hope of being taken to heaven,
without dying, and thus escaping the
traumatic seven-year period on earth.
The "Index" (as in Todd Strandberg's "Rapture Index") lists 45
"precursors" (events on earth reportedly acting as signposts pointing to
the rapture, and showing how close the rapture is).
And here's where the mad theology comes in. The Rapture Index
"precursors" (including "Antichrist") are on earth even AFTER the point
in time for a "pretrib" rapture, are fulfilled DURING the seven-year
tribulation period, and actually point to ONLY the (posttribulation)
Second Coming to earth and not to any sort of "pretribulation" coming -
a concept that NO church before 1830 ever taught!
Promoters and merchandisers of pretrib rapture theology have
claimed in recent years to have found a few individuals before 1830 who
supposedly taught a "pretrib" rapture or coming - but none of those
promoters has ever found any ORGANIZED CHURCH teaching or even hinting
at such a doctrine before that date. If you will go to Google or other
search engines and type in "Deceiving and Being Deceived" (one of my
earliest internet articles), you will see how groundless the claims
are for certain pre-1830 individuals that have been dredged up. Even if
a few pre-1830 persons DID seem to teach a pretrib rapture, why would
pretrib promoters want to side with them instead of siding with the 99
percent who obviously DID NOT embrace a pretrib rapture view?
If you're interested in this subject, you can visit engines like
Google, Yahoo, or MSN and type in "Pretrib Rapture Diehards" (the
long-covered-up history of "pretrib" teaching), "Famous Rapture
Watchers" (the only "rapture" view held by all churches before 1830),
"Thomas Ice (Bloopers)" (the level of scholarship often seen in "pretrib"
circles!), "Open Letter to Todd Strandberg," and "Appendix F: Thou Shalt
Not Steal" (scandalous plagiarism in writings by Falwell, Dobson,
Hindson, LaHaye, Ryrie etc.; such thievery has long characterized
pretrib rapturists beginning with Darby (and his contemporaries), Seiss,
and Bullinger in the 1800's and continuing with later members of the
Christian Rewrite such as Lindsey, Unger, Jeremiah, Carlson, Tan,
Missler, and Van Impe!).
If you'd like to go even further in your research, you can obtain
my 300-page book "The Rapture Plot" (my greatest collection of
documentation on pretrib rapturism's bizarre 19th century development)
by calling 800.643.4645.
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Date: 13 Oct 2006
The futuristic interpretatio of scriptures is as much fiction as the
series of Tim Lahaye's seies of Left Behind books. I believe that this
approach to teaching the Book Revelation is more than fiction, even
thugh the tearching of the raptre as the premillenials beleve is spelled
out in this particular book. If one holds to the word of God and soes
not add anything to the scriptures they will fall in line with the
Preterists. Pasto Charles Donahue, Murrayville, Ga.
Date: 13 Nov 2006
Study the Bible carefully concerning the rapture. Study the King James
Bible, and don't change any words, or revise the meaning of any words.
You will be surprised to find that the rapture occurred 2000 years ago.
But it was only a rapture of the Jews. It happened about AD70. According
to Revelation 20, the souls of Christ's disciples are in heaven at his
time, in the New Jerusalem, ruling over the twelve tribes of the Old
C.P. "mac" machovsky
Date: 17 Dec 2006
I really enjoy what you argue about the secret rapture and the "Left
Behind Series." It was refreshing to hear someone besides myself, and a
few others, expose that Jesuit constructed, pseudopigraphal based,
Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs' Beliar myth system of intepretation.
I myself have a web site at:www.prophetictoolchest.bravehost.com. My
book is titled: PROPHETIC TOOL CHEST FOR DISMANTELING THE DISPENSATIONAL
DELUSION. Though I am not a Preterist, we have much in common. Please
continue the good work, I have posted your web site in my material.
Date: 18 Jan 2007
I now have proof that Brethrenism arose out of the doctrine of
J. N. Darby said;
"Supposing we were a body of Freemasons, and a person were excluded from
one lodge by the rules of the order, and instead of looking to the lodge
to review the case, if it was thought to be unjust, each other lodge
were to receive him or not on their own independent authority, it is
clear the unity of the Freemason system is gone. Each lodge is an
independent body acting for itself. It is vain to allege a wrong done,
and the lodge not being infallible; the competent authority of lodges,
and the unity of the whole is at an end. The system is dissolved. There
may be provision for such difficulties. All right if it be needed. But
the proposed remedy is the mere pretension of the superiority of the
recusant lodge, and a dissolution of Freemasonry." On this Mr. Darby
further remarks, "The Church is not a voluntary system. It is not formed
(or rather unformed) of a number of independent bodies, each acting for
itself. It was never dreamed, whatever the remedy, that Antioch could
let in Gen
Upper levels of Freemasonry worship SATAN directly.
Date: 28 Jan 2007
You are correct. There is no pre-trib rapture. It is unbiblical.
Date: 07 Feb 2007
Some years ago, I bought several copies of your book “Rapture?” from New
Puritan Library with a final chapter by O. J. Graham. I have given all
but y last copy to Christians with convincing success. Where can I buy
In His service,
G. L. Moison <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: 09 Feb 2007
Preterists have no future - sad but true.
I say this in light that 33% of the bible is prophetic. The Preterists
problem is there dealing with TIME - and how TIME is used in the bible.
AN Entire THEOLOGY which was destroyed once, 100 years ago, has surfaced
again, and all based on TIME.
Well, wasting TIME debating TIME is something satan loves, so I will
quit wasting my time in here with preterists, and let them live there
wonderful life of "Just say NO to Biblical Prophecy, as it all happened
already" LOL - and the beat goes on..........
Futurist and Crown Winner of the Looking for Jesus to Call up His Church
Date: 09 Jun 2007
I think that people have a desire to know about the rapture and other
end of times events - as another reason to study & worship God. Sort of
'give me the reason to study' or 'what would happen if I don't study'
The study & worship of God is not a subject you want to fail or.... look
at the reults! Another thing to consider is that people have a
fascination for horror stories, roller coasters and scary stories. What
batter or scarier story is there than the rapture and other end time
Date: 17 Nov 2007
Hello, Mr. MacPherson
This is D.S. Farris. Sometime back I contacted you about my online book
and congradulated you on your work in dealing with Dispensationalism. I
wanted to inform you that PROPHETIC TOOL CHEST has relocated to a
different web address. We are now at:www.hearingthetruth.org. If you
want to link with us as you did before, that will be good; for we have
links in our book to your web site: we direct all kinds of people to
your web site. Have a good day, and keep up the good work.
Date: 01 Apr 2009
The Bible doesn't support either view of pre-trib or post-trib (nor the
lesser believed mid-trib) rapture. There is just as many arguing
passages for both. But, there is nothing supporting any Christian being
miraculously protected during the rapture. Dave MacPherson attacks
certain Teologians for the exact same reason he uses to do so...SELL
BOOKS. Whichever anyone believes, We should stop the focus on battling
each other and focus instead on preparing those who won't be saved in
either rapture. God Bless all who serve the Lord.
Date: 16 Jul 2009
Thank you Mr. Dave MacPherson,
As a late starter in Christianity I was surprised when I was asked of my
thoughts on different doctrines, one being the rapture. Admitting I
didn’t knowing what the rapture was they proceeded to explain it to me.
I had read and studied the bible about 15 years earlier, and couldn’t
recall having the same view on the rendered verses. Upon further
in-depth studying via internet, comparing all to His true word and
praying I didn’t arrive at the same conclusion.
A bit dismayed I began placing my thoughts in an essay form in an
attempt to ensemble the many piece of the puzzle. Reviewing their bible
references 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.… and others
including added information from the web and different commentaries.
Always trying to keep an open mind. I couldn’t associate any of it to a
rapture, most referenced sleeping saints and those who endure to the
end. I will admit the understanding of Matthew 24:40-41 still eludes me
but one verse won’t change my views. Besides 2 Thessalonians 2:3 as far
as I’m concerned locks it in adding the fact of Matthew 13:2-30 Jesus
telling them to allow them together till the harvest which I believe
correlates with Revelation 14:14.
My conviction on the rapture has brought trouble between my wife and her
family along with having changed churches (easter celebration added
issue) do to my occasional inquiries and periodic protests, along with a
minimal dispersing of my essays for review on the subject. In my heart I
was troubled and only asked them to review the information, as I have
done many times since, without a single reply short of the usual “it‘s
not what we believe“.
My wife’s sister refuses to even look at the papers claiming her church
said it wasn’t of the bible. Compiling all my notes and essays I asked
my wife to pass them to her sister so she could set up a meeting between
us, her pastor, church offering adequate time for them to review and
critique said information. Surprisingly they declined the offer refused
to even review the information, leading me to believe they simply can’t.
I told my wife “It’s funny Christians will go to non-believers,
strangers and attempt to convert them. But will not take the time, one
believer to another who has ascertained a dissimilar view, nor will they
take the time to debate it. Even if in the end we don’t agree, should we
not act as Christians, agree to disagree, hug, with the love of Jesus,
move on to our prim goal saving the un-saved. I said all that to say
your name kept coming up in my research as did many others. Goggling
most, yours was that re assurance I’m not totally wrong in my summations
of the rapture. More convincing was your open letter and articles
correcting the wrongs.(2 Timothy 3:14-4:5 comes to mind)
I have always felt if you believe it, put it in writing with your name
on it. I thank you for being that beacon of light in these days of so
many distorted beliefs and insatiable cravings for ear tickling.
Steven H. Horney
Date: 24 May 2010
All this rapture stuff seems rather pointless
and diverts people from spiritual matters into
theology. When there is a so-called harvest of
the earth whatever happens will be according to
the program of higher inteligence and will perhaps
go unnoticed by lower intelligence. As I understand
it, this sort of thing goes according to what has
actually developed in the heart/soul of man rather
than along theological lines. Human thinking seems
to go in the pattern of which "club" you join.
Date: 11 Jun 2010
I am a pastor and I can appreciate your book on the Rapture plot , It is
wonderful proof of the real truth of the soon comming of Christ, Its sad
that pre-tribbers have lied to us for so long. Thank you for your
courage to stand up for the Truth. Fred Keener from Alabama
Date: 30 Aug 2010
The Bible clearly states, The Antichrist has to come on the scene before
JESUS RETURNS!!! What is going on with all the main stream Churchs
teaching this false doctrine?? GOD'S inspired word of TRUTH will
prevail...GOD BE WITH THOSE TEACHERS OF THIS FALSE TEACHING?????
Date: 10 Oct 2011
Pretribulationists like to say that Christ must be coming back for the
church before the tribulation because the Bible says the day of the Lord
will come as a thief in the night, and He wouldn't be able to come as a
thief in the night if the tribulation was first. II Peter 3:10 says,
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night IN WHICH the
heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt
with fervent heat; both the earth and the works in it will be burned
up." My question to them would be is the tribulation before or after the
heavens pass away and the elements melt, etc?
Date: 23 Feb 2013
2 The 2:3 ;Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom the name of Satan son, anchor
concepts classic Kjv note bible Page 216, Barak Page 666 Obamah means
high place. DEUTERONOMY 33:29 Who is the sword? Moses last words high
place (Obamah) as ah sound Jah and against most high Psalms 83:18 the
powers in high places of Eph 6:12. Born 216 day in the midst of the sea
A President of the people (Republic) confirming the treaty 3.5 years
midst 42nd month 28 JULY 2012, when he breaks sudden destruction. Barak
Obama revealed. O ASSYRIAN Isa10:5 also means high place. Power over the
body to get you soul health care bill page 1000- 1008 the mark of the
beast. The hand/ arm of God is upon us. EZEKIEL 4:7
CROWN T Banach