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FROM END TIMES CONTROVERSY "Many Bible-believing Christians find it astounding that anyone would teach that our Lord Jesus Christ has already returned to earth and that we are now living in the kingdom age predicted throughout the Bible. Yet that is what preterists believe and teach. And surprisingly, their numbers are growing -- not because their arguments for what they are trying to believe are so convincing, but because many of their new followers have only heard one side of the argument." (p.7; cf. Critical Article Archive) "..most preterists are Bible-believing Christians who love the Lord and are striving to serve Him." (p.7) "In his book The Last Days According to Jesus, Dr. Sproul narrows down preterists to two main divisions: "Full Preterism and Partial Preterism." Reduced to the most significant distinction between them, a full preterist is one who believes all prophecy was fulfilled at the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D.70, including the second coming of Jesus. Partial preterists such as Sproul and Gentry believe that even though Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation have largely been fulfilled, they still understand some Bible passages to teach a future second coming (Acts 1:9-11; 1 Corinthians 15:51-52; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). They see the second coming of Jesus, the resurrection of the dead, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and heaven as yet future." (pp. 7-8) "those who teach Christ came physically in A.D. 70 are borderline heretics"
(End Times Controversy, p. 10) "What evidence do preterists have that the tragic siege of Jerusalem in A.D.70 was indeed a fulfillment of Jesus' description of the Great Tribulation? Anyone who reads history must admit that the Inquisition and Hitler's holocaust were far worse and occurred long after A.D.70." "Nero went down in history as the emperor who fiddled while Rome burned. Only those preterist "scholars" who need him desperately to fill the role of Antichrist (to keep from admitting that Revelation was written in A.D.95) can even hold to this view. In truth, such a notion is historically ridiculous." (ETC, p. 13)
(On II Thessalonians 2:8) (On
Revelation 1:7) (On Date of Revelation) (On King Jesus?) "When Jesus comes, He is going to be "King of kings and Lord of lords" (Revelation 20:1-3). Could anyone even suggest that for the last 1,900 years Jesus has be Lord and King over the kings of the earth.. To say that Christ is ruler now is a statement that reaches almost blasphemous proportions." (p. 11) (On
Imminency in the First Century) (On
Gog and Magog; Dispensationalist Etymology) "Russia is unquestionably the nation identified in the prophecies of Ezekiel 38 and 39." ("Will God Destroy Russia, in Storming Towards Armageddon: Essays in Apocalypse, ed. Wm. James (Green Forest, AR: New Leaf Press, 1992), p. 259) (On the
Signs of the Times) "In 1993, a news report indicated there were other worldwide problems of nature: South Africa experienced widespread crop failures.. floods. Bangladesh - nearly half under water, 316 people killed, 6 million homeless. 1100 flood victims in Himalayan kingdom of Nepal. 700 die in floods in India. In our country, in one year we experienced hurricane Andrew in Florida, which destroyed 40,000 homes at a cost of over $20 billion.. Floods hit the Mississippi valley at a cost of $20 billion. Early in 1995, torrential rains hit northern California and devastated a whole region." LaHaye, Tim, "The Signs of the Time Imply His Coming," in 10 Reasons Why Jesus is Coming Soon: Ten Christian Leaders Share Their Thoughts (Sisters, OR: Multnomah, 1998), p. 206-207) (On
John N. Darby) (On the Third Temple) (On Armageddon) "'In a few moments you will be led to the central building, where you will tell the staff whether you want your loyalty mark on your forehead or your right hand. The area you choose will then be disinfected with an alcohol solution. When it is your turn, you will enter a cubicle, where you will sit and be injected with a biochip, while simultaneously tattooed with the prefix 216, which identifies you as a citizen of the United Carpathian States. The application takes just seconds.'" (Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, The Mark: The Beast Rules the World, 2000, p. 285) Form letter from an organization called the "Pre-Trib Research Center." Boasting such public personalities as Dr. Tim LaHaye, Dr. John Ankerberg, Dr. Larry Crutchfield, Martin DeHaan, Dr. Norman Geisler, Dave Hunt, Dr. Thomas Ice, Dr. Robert Lightner, Dr. Hal Lindsey, Dr. J. Dwight Pentecost, Dr. Charles Ryrie, Dr. Stanley Toussaint, Dr. John Walvoord and Jeffrey Townsend, the letter had this to say: As we near the year 2000, many contemporary events are pointing to our Lord's return. The fact that Israel has been back in her land for 50 years constitutes "God's super-sign for the end times." In our lifetime, the stage is being set for the end-time drama that has been laid out for us in the Bible. ...We have two main objectives: First, to help Christians avoid the deception our Lord predicted would plague people in end times. And, second, to help them anticipate His imminent coming. Historically, whenever the church has anticipated his return, it has motivated Christians to holy living in an unholy age, greater evangelism and more zeal for world-wide missionary giving and sending. Contrary to what some Evangelicals are saying, anticipation of the Lord's return, when properly understood, does not lead to inactivity; instead, such a hope in the Bible is the basis for sacrificial action. This letter is sent to you because we believe you are vitally interested in promoting those same effects in your own congregation. Attending such a conference will help! In addition, it will help offset some of the "false teachers, false prophets," and even "false messiahs" Jesus predicted would come, by presenting them the truth about future things. (From Moody)
Tim LaHaye's Temperament
by Dave MacPherson
A couple decades ago I learned how serious Tim LaHaye had become when it came to my pretrib history research----and it wasn't very becoming. On January 5, 1981 he had sent a letter from the Scott Memorial Baptist Church he then pastored in the San Diego area to an evangelical publisher in another state. In the letter, which later came into my hands, LaHaye bluntly discussed yours truly and told the recipient: "Praise God you're going to answer this turkey----if I didn't already have 89 irons in the fire I'd take it on----some one should!" Back in those days LaHaye was well-known for his bestselling Spirit-Controlled Temperament book (temperaments that fundamentalist and evangelical critics have traced to the world of the occult!). Unfortunately that book didn't reveal the type of temperament LaHaye could possess (a LaHaodicean one?) in order to call me a "turkey." Maybe his pretrib "feathers" had been ruffled by the many evangelical leaders who'd "gobbled" up my research and then praised it during the previous decade: In his 1974 book When Is Jesus Coming Again, J. Barton Payne reflected it when he wrote that "the dispensational position...began only in 1830 with J. N. Darby's acceptance of Margaret Macdonald's revelation in Port Glasgow of a dispensationally divided return." During the same year Christianity Today called it a "staunch defense" and Moody Monthly (while Jerry Jenkins was a top name there) referred to my "careful, factual sleuthing." In Canada The Prairie Overcomer at Prairie Bible Institute concluded that "MacPherson's case seems to be watertight" while The Witness (the oldest and largest Darbyist Brethren magazine in England!) declared: "What he [MacPherson] succeeds in establishing is that the view outlined was first stated by a certain Margaret Macdonald...early in 1830." (Who knows the British, and the British ways of speaking, better than the British do?) Some other comments during that period came from Harold Ockenga's letter ("You have done your research well"), Ian S. Rennie's Dreams, Visions and Oracles ("it is likely that [Margaret's revelation] was grist for Darby's mill"), and J. Gordon Melton in the Encyclopedia of American Religions ("The best scholarship available [views Margaret as the pretrib originator]"). With reactions like these coming from a noticeable percentage of the evangelical literati, you can see why Tim was dispensationally distraught over the possibility that comments from thinking evangelicals might have a dire effect on his ability to keep on making pretrib (la)hay while the sun was shining! But now let's fast forward until we reach the year 1992 and the arrival of LaHaye's No Fear of the Storm----a book that's had no fear of being exposed as one of the most shabby, slipshod, slovenly (and, yes, even dishonest) prophecy books ever! While flipping LaHaye's pages in order to spot his comments on the pretrib origin (the way my book The Rapture Plot describes it), I quickly found one sentence on page 180 that has four historical errors. In it he asserts that 19th century (Plymouth) Brethren scholar S. P. Tregelles claimed in two of his books, spaced 11 years apart, that fellow Brethren member J. N. Darby derived pretrib from the Jews and Margaret Macdonald. Since Margaret wasn't Jewish, LaHaye sees Tregelles naming two different sources and contradicting himself. If you've been totally immersed in pretrib rapture origin research since 1970 (as I have), you'll soon find (as I did) these four errors: 1. The two Tregelles works were not two books but an article (1855) and a book (1864). 2. They were nine years apart. 3. The article spoke only of "Judaisers" within Christianity. (This was the first time I'd ever found anyone claiming that the Jews had been blamed for originating pretrib!) 4. The book referred to "an 'utterance' in Mr. Irving's Church." (Margaret never even visited Edward Irving's church!) LaHaye obviously had been influenced by other writers, including R. A. Huebner and John Walvoord, who had previously aired the supposed Tregelles contradiction. (Elsewhere in the present book I show that Tregelles did not contradict himself.) After being flabbergasted by this blunder-packed sentence, I decided to check the accuracy of LaHaye's reproduction of Margaret Macdonald's key 1830 revelation. With all 117 lines of her revelation in front of me (as found in my books including The Incredible Cover-up and The Great Rapture Hoax), I began comparing LaHaye's version with it. Everything matched perfectly during the first few lines. But when I got to lines 10-11, LaHaye's copy spoke of Margaret's "great burst." Was this a reference to the "inbreaking of God...about to burst on this earth" (lines 42-43)? Or perhaps her vision of the final collapse of the pretrib view? Well, neither. Between the words "great" and "burst" LaHaye had omitted "darkness and error about it; but suddenly what it was." This omission can keep his readers in the dark concerning her cultic pride in thinking that only she could really explain "the sign of the Son of man" (Matt. 24:30)! In addition to a variety of other copying errors, LaHaye also omitted eight words in lines 16-17, a word in line 51, another word in line 58, 11 words in lines 74-75, nine words in lines 76-77, and eight words in lines 111-112----sins of "omission" that can easily result in faulty analyses of Macdonald's prophetic words! (I wrote LaHaye in regard to his many copying errors. He never responded.) LaHaye's version of Margaret's words is actually found in Robert Norton's Memoirs of James & George Macdonald, of Port-Glasgow (1840). But somehow he had prefaced it as being part of Norton's The Restoration of Apostles and Prophets; In the Catholic Apostolic Church (1861). All I had to do was find someone who had carelessly combined the 1840 text with the 1861 title. Within minutes, while going through my files, I ran across a 1989 publication that had the same combination. And it had the same copying errors----including the same 48 omitted words----in the same places! The author was Thomas Ice! (When LaHaye decided to plagiarize Ice's reproduction of Margaret's revelation instead of doing his own research, he didn't realize that Ice's sloppiness would trip up himself as well as Ice. But of course they are still friends and partners----especially in connection with the Pre-Trib Research Center----because they are sloppy and dishonest birds of a feather! Incidentally, Ice never responded after my letter to him asked about his many copying errors.) In addition to LaHaye's "bumped" words, I tallied 84 other errors he makes when quoting various writers on 27 other pages discussing pretrib beginnings. LaHaye omits 11 words when quoting Walvoord's The Rapture Question: Revised. Walvoord, echoing Huebner, was asserting that my evidence has not proven that Margaret and Irving taught the pretrib view. But readers are kept in the dark about the assertion in the book in question because LaHaye somehow deletes what Walvoord was concluding! On page 169 LaHaye says that at the Library of Congress he obtained photocopies of Manuel Lacunza's work, the title of which is The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty. Perhaps he can explain why on two pages this title appears as The Coming of Messiah in Power and Glory and is listed on a later page as The Coming of Christ in Power and Great Glory. Equally serious are his book's other copying errors including erroneous sources and page numbering in footnotes as well as inaccurate historical dates in the text. Something else. If I fail to rectify some notions that LaHaye has repeated, others in the 20th century tradition of copying (and miscopying) may very well repeat and even embellish them. LaHaye gives the impression that my father, Norman, changed from pretrib to posttrib during his Southern California pastorate from which he was ousted, and that Biola's position on the rapture was the only one ever held by that Los Angeles school. LaHaye even has a chapter about me entitled "MacPherson's Vendetta" and assumes that personal revenge on my part is the reason for my decades-long research on pretrib beginnings. For the record here are my responses: 1. My father changed from pretrib to posttrib before his 1944 book Triumph Through Tribulation. Through meetings in my parents' living room, the church in question was formed in 1947. Folks knew about his previous change, but he was always a calm and scholarly preacher, almost never brought up posttrib, and never made any rapture view a test of fellowship. Later on, some pretrib outsiders joined, evidently intent on making the church a pretrib church. I still have the handwritten notes that my mother took at the May 16, 1951 ouster meeting. One of the voiced criticisms of my father that she recorded: "He has no right to interpret prophecy contrary to Scofield." (This critic obviously was influenced only by Scripture and not by human agency in the same way Darby was!) 2. The doctrinal statement in Biola's catalog says merely that the "Lord Jesus is coming again to this earth, personally, bodily, and visibly." The school's founders chose such a broad statement because they wanted persons to have freedom to hold and discuss what were then viewed as non-essentials: for example, differing tribulational and millennial views. Nowadays the Biola catalog includes this explanatory note (following the doctrinal statement): "The Scriptures are to be interpreted according to dispensational distinctives with the conviction that the return of the Lord for His Church will be premillennial, before the Tribulation, and that the Millennium is to be the last of the dispensations." When I applied in 1952 for admission to the original Bible Institute of Los Angeles campus in downtown L. A., I was given the original doctrinal statement which allows for non-conflicting non-essentials. Since my father had been a schoolmate of Biola's president at Princeton Seminary (hardly a pretrib school), I saw no harm in occasionally sharing copies of my father's 1944 book with some student friends and some of my teachers. If the school had told me to stop this, I would have. If I had been a threat all year to Biola's "official" position, why did it wait until just two weeks before the end of the school year to kick me out? Throughout this century pretrib has changed from being a non-essential to being an expedient essential at Biola and many similar schools, primarily because of its tremendous fund-raising potential. 3. LaHaye concludes wrongfully that my pretrib origin research of a quarter of a century is nothing more than my vengeful reaction to what happened to my family in the 1950's. If so, it must be one of the slowest reactions ever. I didn't even wonder about the origin until two decades after the California incidents. Long before my research began, numerous tragedies including untimely death had overtaken the ringleaders in the church trouble. During the years between the early 1950's and the early 1970's (when my research began), I was never bitter towards anyone at either the church or Biola----and haven't been down to the present day. In the same No Fear book of his, LaHaye has an entire chapter discussing my books. The fair and honest thing, when citing books, is to list the books in footnotes or at least in a bibliography----unless a writer has something to hide. The reason LaHaye doesn't list any of my works in this manner is that he is neither fair nor honest! As if all of the above isn't enough, there's even plagiarism in some of LaHaye's books! I'll give an example by comparing Hal Lindsey's There's A New World Coming (1973) with LaHaye's Understanding the Last Days (1998). On p. 281 Lindsey wrote: "The New Testament refers to the 'Book of Life' eight times, and although the Old Testament doesn't call it by that name, it refers three times to a book in which names are written. This book contains the name of every person born into the world. If by the time he dies, a person has not received God's provision of sacrifice to remove sin, then his name is blotted out of this 'Book of Life.'" On pp. 192, 194 LaHaye wrote: "The New Testament refers to the book of life eight different times, and although the Old Testament does not call it by that name, it does allude three times to a book in which names are written...The book of life is that book in which the names of all people ever born into the world are written. If, at the time of a person's death, he has not called upon the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation, his name is blotted out of the book of life." After I told LaHaye in a letter that I had found plagiarism in his books, he sent me the one and only letter I've ever gotten from him, dated March 3, 1999. His first two sentences said: "You are the first person who (to my knowledge) has ever accused me of plagiarizing anything from anyone. And with forty books in print I would think someone would have if it were true." I immediately sent him evidence that he had plagiarized various books by Walvoord and Lindsey. To this day he has never responded in connection with the proof that I sent to him! My book The Rapture Plot has an appendix exhibiting plagiarism, by means of comparison quotes, in popular pretrib prophecy books. Not only is Tim LaHaye's plagiarism portrayed, but there's proof also of the same literary thievery in writings by Jerry Falwell, Ed Hindson, Ed Dobson, Charles Ryrie, Paul Tan, and Jack Van Impe, for starters! If students at Christian Heritage College (LaHaye's former stomping ground) or Falwell's Liberty University were to plagiarize their neighbors' answers during an exam, they'd be in danger of getting an "F" for the exam and maybe for the entire course. But when pretrib leaders cut corners and cheat in print, which of course allows them to turn out rapture rush jobs much more quickly, they are awarded honorary (if not honorable) degrees----like the Doctor of Literature degree that Falwell's school gave to LaHaye! LaHaye gives the impression these days that his huge book sales are proof that he's being blessed by the Lord. Well, if financial success is the most important standard (and it seems to be in the eyes of many pretrib authors and publishers), then the Lord must also be blessing the Mafia and Columbian drug lords and even Osama Bin Ladin! But when does success become greed? LaHaye is currently suing fellow Christians over the Left Behind film rights! His lawsuit even states that he has suffered "emotional and mental stress, including anxiety, worry, mental anguish and sleeplessness"----characteristics, as you can tell, of Spirit-controlled temperament! Jeremiah 17:11 is a verse that LaHaye has somehow left behind. It says that "he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool." Finally, here's the big question: In light of recently uncovered evidence revealing the long-covered-up, sordid history of the pretrib rapture view, and in light of the fact that God's judgment of careless and apostate Christendom is rapidly increasing these days, will Tim LaHaye temper his outlook and change his temperament or will he lose his temper, let his temperature rise, and become temperamental?
What do YOU think ? Comments I believe that if people really wanted to search out the truth on the "end times", they would look at the history of the church and view where it stood on these beliefs, before and after John Darby. I know we all won't fully agree on eschatology, but I do believe that the church was satisfied with a more completed book of Revelation (and Daniel, etc.) than it is today due to these "sci-fi" writers. With "Left Behind" in the way, the teaching of "today is the day of salvation" falls to "watch the signs". Comments I love all the books that I have read so far. I was wanting to know how I could get Dr. LaHaye's autograph. Comments The books are labeled as Christian Fiction. Although I believe a lot of what's in these books is scripturally based, I believe a lot is also embellished; hence, fiction. As for the end times, no one knows the time or the day when Jesus will return. Only the Father knows...so stop trying to figure it out, you can't. And yes, I do believe Jesus is coming back for His church. I myself am a pre-tribber, thank you. *smile* God bless
When were JerryB Jenkins and Tim LaHaye Born? Comments You have assembled an impressive list of "scholars" here to put forth your opinions. I may stand alone here , but there must be a couple of comments added about your stories. In Paul's letter to the Thessalonica congregation Paul specifically addressed the fate of those dead in Christ, and then next those alive in Christ concerning His return. We know that Paul was correct. All will receive their new bodies "at the twinkling of an eye" at the return of Christ. That means the dead in sin and those that are alive without salvation also get their eternal bodies. Paul never said the unsaved were not part of this happening. Jesus very, very plainly tells us in Matthew with the parable and subsequent explanation of the "wheat and the tares" what happens in the end time. The harvest is His return, and it is an absolute that wicked(analagy to the tares) SHALL be gathered up first and destroyed. Now how can there be a "rapture" secret or not. The wicked SHALL be gathered first. Not the Church. The Church will be left with Christ forever. The "rapture theory assumes an "antichrist" yet this term is used only 5 times -all by John in his epistles, and each time we are told it is a "spirit of antichrist. Not a person, and the man of desolation cannot be this mythical figure called "The Antichrist" because in the first century when John wrote his epistles that "spirt of antichrist" was already appearing.This is a condition-not a person. The gnostics denied that it was actually Christ on the cross, and many others had false doctrine. Inour time we choose to ignore scripture, call ourselves educated, and forsake scripture. Jesus plainly tells us that there will be no "rapture;", that there will be a gathering up of the wicked first, and that there will be a judgement. All scripture pertaining to THE returnof Christ tells us of ONE return, and it is final. The judgement will take place , and you know the rest as Revelation tells us. The "rapture theory" was first heard in England in the late 1860's , proposed by a womanpreacher, and we already know the only function prohibited by God(through Paul's letters to Timothy) is for a women to lead in the assembly. Even when prophesy was still here from those that the apostles had laid hands on for the furtherment of the spoken word-women have had many functions in the spreading of the gospel-except from the pulpit. The proclamation of the message was even flawed therefore.Paul warns us to not preach another doctrine. This "Left Behind" seies could teach the world correctly-that there shall be but one return, one judgement, the wicked shall be gathered first,yet it seems to further the falsehoods first presented a century and a half ago about a taking away of the "elect" first. Jesus did not teach that, neither Paul. Thessalonians was addressed to Christians in subject matter, referred to the plight of Christians, and many have concluded in error that the unsaved have no part in this. All the dead will rise, and all the alive will join next with the Lord. The wicked shall be judged, those unto salvation shall be rewarded, and Christ shall rule forever. That story is not fiction. You have assembled an impressive list of "scholars" here to put forth your opinions. I may stand alone here , but there must be a couple of comments added about your stories. In the letters to the Thessalonica congregation, Paul specifically addressed the fate of those dead in Christ, and then next those alive in Christ concerning His return. We know that Paul was correct. All will receive their new bodies "at the twinkling of an eye" at the return of Christ. That means the dead in sin and those that are alive without salvation also get their eternal bodies. Paul never said the unsaved were not part of this happening. Jesus very, very plainly tells us in Matthew with the parable and subsequent explanation of the "wheat and the tares" what happens in the end time. The harvest is His return, and it is an absolute that the wicked(analagy to the tares) SHALL be gathered up first and destroyed. Now how can there be a "rapture"- secret or not? The wicked SHALL be gathered first, not the Church. The Church will be left with Christ forever. The "rapture theory" assumes an "antichrist", yet this term is used only 5 times -all by John in his epistles, and each time we are told it is a "spirit of antichrist. Not a person, and the "man of desolation" cannot be this mythical figure called "The Antichrist" because in the first century when John wrote his epistles that "spirt of antichrist" was already appearing.This is a condition-not a person. The gnostics denied that it was actually Christ on the cross, and many others had false doctrine. In our time we choose to ignore scripture, call ourselves educated, and forsake scripture. Jesus plainly tells us that there will be no "rapture;", that there will be a gathering up of the wicked first, and that there will be a judgement. All scripture pertaining to THE return of Christ tells us of ONE return, and it is final. The judgement will take place , and you know the rest as Revelation tells us. The "rapture theory" was first heard in England in the late 1860's , proposed by a woman preacher, and we already know the only function prohibited by God(through Paul's letters to Timothy) is for a women to lead in the assembly. Even when prophesy was still here- from those that the apostles had laid hands on for the furtherment of the spoken word-women have had many functions in the spreading of the gospel-except from the pulpit. The proclamation of the message was even flawed therefore.Paul warns us to not preach another doctrine. This "Left Behind" seies could teach the world correctly-that there shall be but one return, one judgement, the wicked shall be gathered first,yet it seems to further the falsehoods first presented a century and a half ago about a "taking away" of the "elect" first. Jesus did not teach that, neither did Paul. Thessalonians was addressed to Christians in subject matter, referred to the plight of Christians, and many have concluded in error that the unsaved have no part in this. All the dead will rise, and all the alive will join next with the Lord. The wicked shall be judged, those unto salvation shall be rewarded, and Christ shall rule forever. That story is not fiction. Comments I live in Australia and I have recently watched a news documentary interviewing Mr La Haye about his books and the message he is spreading through the U.S. He portrays the United Nations in his book at the anti-christ although he is saying that is not what he really believes. My thoughts about his beliefs are that he and his evangalising through his books do no better for our world and society than the fundamentalist Islamists or Christians or Religious rightist in any part of the world. People who think like him (Benny Hinn, for example) incite racism with their belief in the bible and the incorrect assumption that all in that book really did happen and that they can interpret and make a place for that interpretation in our current society. In my opionion George Bush and American's like Mr La Haye are more like an "anti christ" and the world needs to be fighting the terror that they incite.....look at Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea, and now Iraq. Of course, it does not count - the killing of millions of innocent people, because they were not white christians. They just don't count. The minute a few thousand people are blown up in America, as tragic as it was, next thing we have a war on the world. Take a look at yourselves and the sick society you have created, you Yanks. Look in the mirror and try and find a human with a heart and compassion and ethics. Stop trying to pin your hopes all on a "God" that does not exist. K.Athe Australia Comments If John wrote to the seven churches in Asia about things that wouldn't occur until some 2,000 years later, he was either greatly deceiving them or was greatly deceived himself. Revelation was not that difficult for first century Jewish Christians living in the Roman Empire to understand. Modern evangelists have complicated it in order to sell books and videos. They are the false prophets! The fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple in 70AD proves that Revelation was inspired by God. Nero's name in Hebrew adds up to 666. He was the "Beast". Christ is with us right now in the sacraments. The early Church Fathers could see it. Do you presume to know more than they? Steve Moore sweat167@aol.com 21:49:10 Comments If John wrote to the seven churches in Asia about things that wouldn't occur until some 2,000 years later, he was either greatly deceiving them or was greatly deceived himself. Revelation was not that difficult for first century Jewish Christians living in the Roman Empire to understand. Modern evangelists have complicated it in order to sell books and videos. They are the false prophets! The fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple in 70AD proves that Revelation was inspired by God. Nero's name in Hebrew adds up to 666. He was the "Beast". Christ is with us right now in the sacraments. The early Church Fathers could see it. Do you presume to know more than they? Steve Moore sweat167@aol.com Comments where were you born... and you need a website all about yourself and Mr. Jenkins. Im doing a report on you guys and all the stuff is about your books. Put something out about your childhood and stuff and your life. That would be great Comments The bible is clear on the end of the age and history is clear on when that was---70AD. We must rein and rule with Him in the advancement of His Kingdom(Spiritual-same as the first advent)here on earth. When the church starts preaching and teaching this truth,then,the effect on society will turn around the present leftist-liberal system of thought. God is at work on this proper perspective of eschatology. Tony Hill Comments 1st Chronicles 5:4, says Gog is a Reubenite. 1st Chronicles 5:26 says they were taken into Assyria and are there ...unto this day. Micah 5 says Jesus will someday fight the Assyrian, which connects these together along with Ezekiel 38. I'm a Christian and I believe the word of G-d above man's oppinion. Paul Swinford Comments ALL OLD TESTAMENT PROPHECY WAS FULFILLED BY THE END OF THE WAR OF A.D.70.<p> In Luke 21:22, Jesus said, <b>"For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled."</b><br> This verse seems to be ignored by most, if not all, Premillennial, futuristic commentators, probably because they see so many Old Testament promises to Israel which have not been fulfilled. What they fail to see is that God's promises were almost always two-sided coins, so to speak. On the one side were promises of blessings for belief and obedience, on the other side were judgements for unbelief.<P> Only one example is needed to explain, and that is the so-called "Palestinian Covenant," given in Deuteronomy chapter 30. When futurists mention that covenant, they almost never quote the whole covenant, stopping before they reach the 10th verse. But verses 1 thru 9 list all the good things God would do for Israel if they listened to His words. Verses ten thru 20 are the rest of the covenant, describing what might happen to Israel if she disobeyed (the flip side of the coin). Much of the Old Testament reveals "what might have been" had Israel not rejected the Son of God 2000 years ago. Not that God was in any way surprised when they rejected and crucified His Holy Son; that was His plan from the beginning. Part of that plan was His converting all Jews back into Gentile status, from whence they came (Romans 11:32), and making everyone, Jew and Gentile alike.<P> Mac <P> biblebits.com Comments Uh, I think I agree with the people that said that Tim LaHaye needs to have a biography site. I am also doing a report-ish thing regarding Tim LaHaye, and I have no information regarding such simple facts, such as birthplace and date. This is insane... And as for what I believe on the series and the end times and it's Biblical perspectives, I have a lot to say. But I won't; I have a paper to write. God Bless, Megan any info on Tim LaHaye, PLEASE e-mail me @ Megaroni009@hotmail.com Thankyou. Comments Anybody have any info on Tim Lahaye I.e Birthdate birthplace. or have any info on a web-site or something. Email me any info at Grammakrly@aol.com Thanks so much and God Bless Need Tim Lahaynes birthdate/place and childhood facts for my english report!!! how can he be so famous, and not have any infromation about himself on the net?!?! I realize I won't have the info in time, but maybe someone could post something for the next kid doing a report? Comments I'M GLAD HANK IS PRESENTING A DIFFERENT VIEW BUT HIS VIEW IS TOO DRASTIC. LAHAYE'S VIEW IS TOTALLY WRONG TOO. JESUS RETURNS ONLY ONE TIME AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS. THIS IS THE SAME VIEW THAT THE APOSTLE PAUL TAUGHT TOO. THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS SATEN'S WRATH AGAINST GOD'S SAINTS WHO ARE LIVING AT THE TIME OF THE END. DANIEL'S VIEW AGREES WITH THIS TOO. A SECRET RAPTURE IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. IF YOU ARE TRYING TO GET SOME TRUTH OUT OF THESE NOVELS YOU BETTER LOOK IN THE SCRIPTURES THEY ARE VERY MISLEADING. THE PEOPLE WRITING THESE NOVELS DO NOT HAVE A CLEAR VIEW OF BIBLICAL SYMBOLOGY. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS SYMBOLIC AND WHAT IS LITERAL. SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHETHER YOU BECOME DECEIVED AND TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST. THAT'S WHY BELIEF IN THE PRE TRIB RAPTURE IS BAD AND WHY THE PRETERIST VIEW IS BAD. NEITHER VIEW PREPARES ONE FOR THE UPCOMING FALLING AWAY. JESUS SAID IF IT WERE POSSIBLE THE VERY ELECT WOULD BE DECEIVED. ARE YOU ALREADY DECEIVED BY LAHAYE AND HANK? Date: Comments I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE CRITICS OF THE BIBLE ARE CALLED OF GOD TO DO SO.I ONLY SEE CONFUSION AND DIVISION AND INSULTS.IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO STUDY MY BIBLE AND GLEAN FROM IT THE TRUTHS OF GOD WHILE CRITICS ARE ARGUING WITH THOSE WHO WRITE COMMENTARIES AND BOOKS OVER DOCTRINAL ISSUES.CRITICS SHOULD START UP THEIR OWN CHURCHS AND CALL IT THE "CHURCH OF CONFUSION" Date: Comments i would love to know where you get the idea that all news christians will have a mark to be known by and will be protected from the worst of the plagues , dont get me wrong doc , i want this to be true , but show me where in the bible it says this , i read that only 144,000 jews will be marked and protected Date: Comments The Pope teaches 3 = 2. This is the Mark of the Beast. Preterism believes #2. Orthodox believes #3. We all believe #1. 3 general resurrections - 1Cor 15.22-24; Jesus Anointed, AD 32; Old Heavens, AD 77, New Heavens, End of Time. Preterism denies #3, because of the Pope. sidwilliams7spirits@granitecity.com 3 dispensations - 2Pet 3; Pre-flood, 2492 BC, Old Heavens, AD 77, New Heavens, End of Time. Comments Hi my name is Tamara Schie Me and my husband love all of your books left behind and the ones that go with the first one,and i would like to see if you could give me alist of all the books that go with left behind and the books that fallew it . Thankyou Tamara Schie Comments Regarding the summary of the early history of millennial teaching, it is interesting that the author appeals to Gaius for support of a "biblical" position. When Gaius ranted against Cerinthus, he was also condemning the canonical book of Revelation. Gaius and the Alogi attributed the book of Revelation and the Gospel of John to Cerinthus, and rejected the book of Hebrews, because these books were effectively used by Montanists to support their "New Prophecy." Hippolytus wrote a treatise against the Alogi entitled "On the Gospel of John and the Apocalypse." Though the work is not extant, the Syrian Ebedjesu (Cat. libr. omn. eccl. 7) recalled that it attacked the heresy of the Alogi who denied the doctrine of the Logos and disparaged books of holy Scripture. For more on this see Metzger's The Canon of the New Testament. Date: 03 Apr 2005 Date: 07 Apr 2005 Date: 01 Oct 2005 Date: 01 Oct 2005 Date: 01 Oct 2005 Date: 26 Oct 2005 Date: 06 Jan 2006 Date: 02 Jan 2006 Jesus was speaking to Israels last generation. Their end was coming in that generation and their generations would cease to exist. When God made his covenant with natural Israel he said that many of the things he was giving them in the law like the Levitical priesthood would last for ALL of their generations. If Israel still exists or has now come back why don't they have these things like the Levitical preisthood? Was God mistaken? Futurists are just not consistent with what the Bible says. The entire Bible from front to back has been fulfilled. That is why we no longer have inspired writing concerning those events, the covenants, the history of God's interation with Israel, or anything else pertaining to the history of the Bible. All the writing that we see in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation was written while Israel was under the first covenant and now that we live in the Messianic age, or second Date: 02 Mar 2006 Date: 01 Mar 2006 Date: 03 Mar 2006 Date: 04 Mar 2006 Date: 08 May 2006 Date: 13 May 2006 Date: 13 May 2006 Date: 29 May 2006 Date: 18 Jun 2006 Date: 22 Jun 2006 Date: 03 Sep 2006 Date: 24 Sep 2006 Date: 11 Jul 2007 Date: 26 Sep 2007 Date: 11 Nov 2007 Date: 01 Feb 2009 Date: 12 Mar 2010 Date: 20 Sep 2010 Date: 09 Sep 2011
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