LaHaye and Jenkins

"I believe God has chosen to bless this (Left Behind) series. In doing so, he's giving the country and maybe the world, one last, big wake-up call before the events transpire.  We have asked God to give us unusual insight in producing what we call believable conversions. Instead of producing a preachy book, we wanted it to have believable stories of Christian conversions that are reproducible in the heart of the reader."

Tim and Beverly

•  Craig Unger - American Rapture - Tim LaHaye (2006) "Best-selling author and evangelical leader Tim LaHaye has contacts that extend to the White House. That could spell trouble, since his theology espouses a bloody apocalypse in Israel"

• The End: Best-selling books don't see it alike - "It's about much more than selling books, scholars say. The high-stakes publishing battle between the two men comes on the heels of the millennial fervor surrounding the year 2000, and feeds a stream of fear rippling just below the surface of public consciousness. "  "To Hanegraaff, Revelation was written before the destruction of the Jerusalem temple to encourage persecuted Christians. He says the "end-time model presented in Left Behind is hermeneutically false in that it attributes powers to the beast that belong only to God, but it is historically false because it places the beast in the 21st century."

• LaHaye's Tribulation "The Last Disciple was coauthored by Hank Hanegraaff and Sigmund Brouwer, and teaches that most prophecies in Revelation have already been fulfilled. The Left Behind series, however, is grounded in a premillennial, dispensationalist view of the end times, which includes a pre-Tribulation Rapture. "I guess you would say I am disappointed, perplexed, and confused," LaHaye told Christianity Today. Ron Beers, Tyndale's senior vice president and publisher, said his company wants to promote healthy dialogue on eschatology. Beers said, "We haven't come up with a consensus on end-times issues."

• Press: LaHaye: "New End Times Thriller Teaches 'Ridiculous' Views" - Tyndale Defends Choice to Publish Hanegraaff's Preterist Series - "The pre-trib author says the new book by Hanegraaff erroneously teaches that all of Revelation's prophecies have come to pass and the rapture has already occurred. "Their idea that the Book of Revelation was written in 64 or 66 A.D. means it's passed -- it was all fulfilled," he notes. "Personally, I think it's an absolutely ridiculous view -- and indefensible."

• Press: New Take on Rapture puts authors in apocalyptic feud (Fully Preterist Comment from Bible Answer Man?) - Dallas News (Hank Hanagraaf: "John ...was writing about the times he was living in, using symbolism from the Old Testament prophets to describe conditions in the first century. All the major elements of the Book of Revelation - Tribulation, Armageddon, Rapture - took place at that time.")

• No Fear of the Text - "Tim LaHaye has written another book on prophecy. No Fear of the Storm[1] was written because LaHaye recognizes that dispensational premillennialism is in trouble."

FROM END TIMES CONTROVERSY

"Many Bible-believing Christians find it astounding that anyone would teach that our Lord Jesus Christ has already returned to earth and that we are now living in the kingdom age predicted throughout the Bible.  Yet that is what preterists believe and teach.  And surprisingly, their numbers are growing -- not because their arguments for what they are trying to believe are so convincing, but because many of their new followers have only heard one side of the argument." (p.7; cf. Critical Article Archive)

"..most preterists are Bible-believing Christians who love the Lord and are striving to serve Him." (p.7)

"In his book The Last Days According to Jesus, Dr. Sproul narrows down preterists to two main divisions: "Full Preterism and Partial Preterism."  Reduced to the most significant distinction between them, a full preterist is one who believes all prophecy was fulfilled at the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D.70, including the second coming of Jesus.  Partial preterists such as Sproul and Gentry believe that even though Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation have largely been fulfilled, they still understand some Bible passages to teach a future second coming (Acts 1:9-11; 1 Corinthians 15:51-52; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).  They see the second coming of Jesus, the resurrection of the dead, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and heaven as yet future." (pp. 7-8)

"those who teach Christ came physically in A.D. 70 are borderline heretics" (End Times Controversy, p. 10)

"The preterist view - that Revelation was written prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 - cannot be supported either externally (historically) or internally (scripturally).  The truth is the preterists advocate this theory because they need it to support their allegorizing or spiritualizing system for interpreting prophecy.  They would have us believe the whole book was fulfilled prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.... we have already seen that preterists try desperately to find some internal bible evidence to establish the date of Revelation during the reign of Nero (A.D.64) in an attempt to prove the book was written before the fall of Jerusalem.  This helps them avoid facing the fact that the prophecies of Revelation are yet future." (Revelation Unveiled, p.27,182)

"What evidence do preterists have that the tragic siege of Jerusalem in A.D.70 was indeed a fulfillment of Jesus' description of the Great Tribulation? Anyone who reads history must admit that the Inquisition and Hitler's holocaust were far worse and occurred long after A.D.70."

"Nero went down in history as the emperor who fiddled while Rome burned.  Only those preterist "scholars" who need him desperately to fill the role of Antichrist (to keep from admitting that Revelation was written in A.D.95) can even hold to this view.  In truth, such a notion is historically ridiculous." (ETC, p. 13)

(On II Thessalonians 2:8)
"There are, of course, other passages that teach a physical coming of Jesus -- for example, 2 Thessalonians 2:8: "Then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming" (KJV).  It should be obvious that for Christ to destroy Satan, who will be standing in the temple and blaspheming God, Christ will have to appear physically." (End Times Controversy, p. 10)

(On Revelation 1:7)
“Note again the reference John cited from Jesus' words: "every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him" (emphasis added).  All men will see the Lord Jesus Christ at His coming -- those in heaven, those on earth, and evidently, those under the earth "who pierced Him."  Again, this cannot refer to anything short of a physical, literal second coming." (End Times Controversy, p. 9)

(On Date of Revelation)
"Revelation was written by John in A.D. 95, which means the book of Revelation describes yet future events of the last days just before Jesus comes back to this earth." (ETC, p. 13)

(On King Jesus?)
"Christ's second coming is yet future, as taught in Matthew 24:29-31 and Revelation 19:11-21.  He will indeed rule this world as "King of kings and Lord of lords."  (End Times Controversy, p. 10)

"When Jesus comes, He is going to be "King of kings and Lord of lords" (Revelation 20:1-3).  Could anyone even suggest that for the last 1,900 years Jesus has be Lord and King over the kings of the earth.. To say that Christ is ruler now is a statement that reaches almost blasphemous proportions." (p. 11)

(On Imminency in the First Century)
"The apostles and first century church universally expected His return in their lifetime, which is why they were so motivated to live holy lives and so dedicated to evangelism and reaching the world for Christ."  ("The Signs of the Times Imply His Coming," in 10 Reasons Why Jesus is Coming Soon: Ten Christian Leaders Share Their Thoughts: Multnomah, p. 191)

(On Gog and Magog; Dispensationalist Etymology)
"Etymology is the study of linguistic changes and the history of words.  We will investigate the etymology of the names of nations.  As we will see, "Magog" is an ancient name for the nation now known as Russia.  "Gog" merely means "the chief prince of Magog," or more literally, the chief prince of Meschech and Tubal (38:2-3; 39:1).  The name "Moscow" derives from the tribal name "Meshech," and "Tobolsk, the name of the principal state, from "Tubal." The noun "Gog" is from the original tribal name "Magog," which gradually became "Rosh," then "Russ," and today is known as "Russia." ("Will God Destroy Russia, in Storming Towards Armageddon: Essays in Apocalypse, ed. Wm. James (Green Forest, AR: New Leaf Press, 1992), p. 260-261)

"Russia is unquestionably the nation identified in the prophecies of Ezekiel 38 and 39." ("Will God Destroy Russia, in Storming Towards Armageddon: Essays in Apocalypse, ed. Wm. James (Green Forest, AR: New Leaf Press, 1992), p. 259)

(On the Signs of the Times)
"An increase in earthquakes, even multiple and enormous earthquakes was predicted by both our Lord in Matthew 24:7, and also by the apostle John in the book of Revelation, for the time of the end..  Notice in the following chart how they have increased during the past five decades, according to the U.S. Geological Society: 1940-1949: 4; 1950-1959: 9; 1960-1969: 13; 1970-1979: 56; 1980-1989: 74" LaHaye, Tim, "The Signs of the Time Imply His Coming," in 10 Reasons Why Jesus is Coming Soon: Ten Christian Leaders Share Their Thoughts (Sisters, OR: Multnomah, 1998), p. 205-206)

"In 1993, a news report indicated there were other worldwide problems of nature: South Africa experienced widespread crop failures.. floods.  Bangladesh - nearly half under water, 316 people killed, 6 million homeless.  1100 flood victims in Himalayan kingdom of Nepal. 700 die in floods in India. In our country, in one year we experienced hurricane Andrew in Florida, which destroyed 40,000 homes at a cost of over $20 billion.. Floods hit the Mississippi valley at a cost of $20 billion.  Early in 1995, torrential rains hit northern California and devastated a whole region." LaHaye, Tim, "The Signs of the Time Imply His Coming," in 10 Reasons Why Jesus is Coming Soon: Ten Christian Leaders Share Their Thoughts (Sisters, OR: Multnomah, 1998), p. 206-207)

(On John N. Darby)
"John Darby figures to be a central figure in any study of the pre-Trib Rapture.  There is little question that he did more than any other man to organize and popularize the view both in the United States and Great Britain.  Born in 1800 and single all his life, he dedicated his boundless energies to advancing the cause of Christ through soul-winning, preaching, Bible teaching, church building, conference teaching, and publishing." (Rapture under Attack Sisters, OR: Multnomah, 1998)

(On the Third Temple)
 "Anyone interested in end-time events has his eyes on the temple project..  various groups have been working clandestinely to prepare all the materials" needed to storm Mount Moriah and begin construction of a new temple." (Are We Living In The End Times?, 1999)

(On Armageddon)
 "I am convinced, for two reasons, that the invasion described in Ezekiel is not the Battle of Armageddon.. In the Battle of Armageddon, armies will come from all the countries of the world against Christ - not Israel.  Yet, while this warfare will not be the real Battle of Armageddon, to the participants it will seem like it." ("Will God Destroy Russia, in Storming Towards Armageddon: Essays in Apocalypse, ed. Wm. James (Green Forest, AR: New Leaf Press, 1992), p. 275

"'In a few moments you will be led to the central building, where you will tell the staff whether you want your loyalty mark on your forehead or your right hand. The area you choose will then be disinfected with an alcohol solution. When it is your turn, you will enter a cubicle, where you will sit and be injected with a biochip, while simultaneously tattooed with the prefix 216, which identifies you as a citizen of the United Carpathian States. The application takes just seconds.'" (Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, The Mark: The Beast Rules the World, 2000, p. 285)
 

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I believe that if people really wanted to search out the truth on the "end times", they would look at the history of the church and view where it stood on these beliefs, before and after John Darby. I know we all won't fully agree on eschatology, but I do believe that the church was satisfied with a more completed book of Revelation (and Daniel, etc.) than it is today due to these "sci-fi" writers. With "Left Behind" in the way, the teaching of "today is the day of salvation" falls to "watch the signs".

I love all the books that I have read so far. I was wanting to know how I could get Dr. LaHaye's autograph.

The books are labeled as Christian Fiction. Although I believe a lot of what's in these books is scripturally based, I believe a lot is also embellished; hence, fiction. As for the end times, no one knows the time or the day when Jesus will return. Only the Father knows...so stop trying to figure it out, you can't. And yes, I do believe Jesus is coming back for His church. I myself am a pre-tribber, thank you. *smile* God bless

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When were JerryB Jenkins and Tim LaHaye Born?

You have assembled an impressive list of "scholars" here to put forth your opinions. I may stand alone here , but there must be a couple of comments added about your stories. In Paul's letter to the Thessalonica congregation Paul specifically addressed the fate of those dead in Christ, and then next those alive in Christ concerning His return. We know that Paul was correct. All will receive their new bodies "at the twinkling of an eye" at the return of Christ. That means the dead in sin and those that are alive without salvation also get their eternal bodies. Paul never said the unsaved were not part of this happening. Jesus very, very plainly tells us in Matthew with the parable and subsequent explanation of the "wheat and the tares" what happens in the end time. The harvest is His return, and it is an absolute that wicked(analagy to the tares) SHALL be gathered up first and destroyed. Now how can there be a "rapture" secret or not. The wicked SHALL be gathered first. Not the Church. The Church will be left with Christ forever. The "rapture theory assumes an "antichrist" yet this term is used only 5 times -all by John in his epistles, and each time we are told it is a "spirit of antichrist. Not a person, and the man of desolation cannot be this mythical figure called "The Antichrist" because in the first century when John wrote his epistles that "spirt of antichrist" was already appearing.This is a condition-not a person. The gnostics denied that it was actually Christ on the cross, and many others had false doctrine. Inour time we choose to ignore scripture, call ourselves educated, and forsake scripture. Jesus plainly tells us that there will be no "rapture;", that there will be a gathering up of the wicked first, and that there will be a judgement. All scripture pertaining to THE returnof Christ tells us of ONE return, and it is final. The judgement will take place , and you know the rest as Revelation tells us. The "rapture theory" was first heard in England in the late 1860's , proposed by a womanpreacher, and we already know the only function prohibited by God(through Paul's letters to Timothy) is for a women to lead in the assembly. Even when prophesy was still here from those that the apostles had laid hands on for the furtherment of the spoken word-women have had many functions in the spreading of the gospel-except from the pulpit. The proclamation of the message was even flawed therefore.Paul warns us to not preach another doctrine. This "Left Behind" seies could teach the world correctly-that there shall be but one return, one judgement, the wicked shall be gathered first,yet it seems to further the falsehoods first presented a century and a half ago about a taking away of the "elect" first. Jesus did not teach that, neither Paul. Thessalonians was addressed to Christians in subject matter, referred to the plight of Christians, and many have concluded in error that the unsaved have no part in this. All the dead will rise, and all the alive will join next with the Lord. The wicked shall be judged, those unto salvation shall be rewarded, and Christ shall rule forever. That story is not fiction.

You have assembled an impressive list of "scholars" here to put forth your opinions. I may stand alone here , but there must be a couple of comments added about your stories. In the letters to the Thessalonica congregation, Paul specifically addressed the fate of those dead in Christ, and then next those alive in Christ concerning His return. We know that Paul was correct. All will receive their new bodies "at the twinkling of an eye" at the return of Christ. That means the dead in sin and those that are alive without salvation also get their eternal bodies. Paul never said the unsaved were not part of this happening. Jesus very, very plainly tells us in Matthew with the parable and subsequent explanation of the "wheat and the tares" what happens in the end time. The harvest is His return, and it is an absolute that the wicked(analagy to the tares) SHALL be gathered up first and destroyed. Now how can there be a "rapture"- secret or not? The wicked SHALL be gathered first, not the Church. The Church will be left with Christ forever. The "rapture theory" assumes an "antichrist", yet this term is used only 5 times -all by John in his epistles, and each time we are told it is a "spirit of antichrist. Not a person, and the "man of desolation" cannot be this mythical figure called "The Antichrist" because in the first century when John wrote his epistles that "spirt of antichrist" was already appearing.This is a condition-not a person. The gnostics denied that it was actually Christ on the cross, and many others had false doctrine. In our time we choose to ignore scripture, call ourselves educated, and forsake scripture. Jesus plainly tells us that there will be no "rapture;", that there will be a gathering up of the wicked first, and that there will be a judgement. All scripture pertaining to THE return of Christ tells us of ONE return, and it is final. The judgement will take place , and you know the rest as Revelation tells us. The "rapture theory" was first heard in England in the late 1860's , proposed by a woman preacher, and we already know the only function prohibited by God(through Paul's letters to Timothy) is for a women to lead in the assembly. Even when prophesy was still here- from those that the apostles had laid hands on for the furtherment of the spoken word-women have had many functions in the spreading of the gospel-except from the pulpit. The proclamation of the message was even flawed therefore.Paul warns us to not preach another doctrine. This "Left Behind" seies could teach the world correctly-that there shall be but one return, one judgement, the wicked shall be gathered first,yet it seems to further the falsehoods first presented a century and a half ago about a "taking away" of the "elect" first. Jesus did not teach that, neither did Paul. Thessalonians was addressed to Christians in subject matter, referred to the plight of Christians, and many have concluded in error that the unsaved have no part in this. All the dead will rise, and all the alive will join next with the Lord. The wicked shall be judged, those unto salvation shall be rewarded, and Christ shall rule forever. That story is not fiction.

I live in Australia and I have recently watched a news documentary interviewing Mr La Haye about his books and the message he is spreading through the U.S. He portrays the United Nations in his book at the anti-christ although he is saying that is not what he really believes. My thoughts about his beliefs are that he and his evangalising through his books do no better for our world and society than the fundamentalist Islamists or Christians or Religious rightist in any part of the world. People who think like him (Benny Hinn, for example) incite racism with their belief in the bible and the incorrect assumption that all in that book really did happen and that they can interpret and make a place for that interpretation in our current society. In my opionion George Bush and American's like Mr La Haye are more like an "anti christ" and the world needs to be fighting the terror that they incite.....look at Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea, and now Iraq. Of course, it does not count - the killing of millions of innocent people, because they were not white christians. They just don't count. The minute a few thousand people are blown up in America, as tragic as it was, next thing we have a war on the world. Take a look at yourselves and the sick society you have created, you Yanks. Look in the mirror and try and find a human with a heart and compassion and ethics. Stop trying to pin your hopes all on a "God" that does not exist. K.Athe Australia

If John wrote to the seven churches in Asia about things that wouldn't occur until some 2,000 years later, he was either greatly deceiving them or was greatly deceived himself. Revelation was not that difficult for first century Jewish Christians living in the Roman Empire to understand. Modern evangelists have complicated it in order to sell books and videos. They are the false prophets! The fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple in 70AD proves that Revelation was inspired by God. Nero's name in Hebrew adds up to 666. He was the "Beast". Christ is with us right now in the sacraments. The early Church Fathers could see it. Do you presume to know more than they? Steve Moore sweat167@aol.com

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If John wrote to the seven churches in Asia about things that wouldn't occur until some 2,000 years later, he was either greatly deceiving them or was greatly deceived himself. Revelation was not that difficult for first century Jewish Christians living in the Roman Empire to understand. Modern evangelists have complicated it in order to sell books and videos. They are the false prophets! The fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple in 70AD proves that Revelation was inspired by God. Nero's name in Hebrew adds up to 666. He was the "Beast". Christ is with us right now in the sacraments. The early Church Fathers could see it. Do you presume to know more than they? Steve Moore sweat167@aol.com

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where were you born... and you need a website all about yourself and Mr. Jenkins. Im doing a report on you guys and all the stuff is about your books. Put something out about your childhood and stuff and your life. That would be great

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The bible is clear on the end of the age and history is clear on when that was---70AD. We must rein and rule with Him in the advancement of His Kingdom(Spiritual-same as the first advent)here on earth. When the church starts preaching and teaching this truth,then,the effect on society will turn around the present leftist-liberal system of thought. God is at work on this proper perspective of eschatology. Tony Hill

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1st Chronicles 5:4, says Gog is a Reubenite. 1st Chronicles 5:26 says they were taken into Assyria and are there ...unto this day. Micah 5 says Jesus will someday fight the Assyrian, which connects these together along with Ezekiel 38. I'm a Christian and I believe the word of G-d above man's oppinion. Paul Swinford

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ALL OLD TESTAMENT PROPHECY WAS FULFILLED BY THE END OF THE WAR OF A.D.70.<p> In Luke 21:22, Jesus said, <b>"For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled."</b><br> This verse seems to be ignored by most, if not all, Premillennial, futuristic commentators, probably because they see so many Old Testament promises to Israel which have not been fulfilled. What they fail to see is that God's promises were almost always two-sided coins, so to speak. On the one side were promises of blessings for belief and obedience, on the other side were judgements for unbelief.<P> Only one example is needed to explain, and that is the so-called "Palestinian Covenant," given in Deuteronomy chapter 30. When futurists mention that covenant, they almost never quote the whole covenant, stopping before they reach the 10th verse. But verses 1 thru 9 list all the good things God would do for Israel if they listened to His words. Verses ten thru 20 are the rest of the covenant, describing what might happen to Israel if she disobeyed (the flip side of the coin). Much of the Old Testament reveals "what might have been" had Israel not rejected the Son of God 2000 years ago. Not that God was in any way surprised when they rejected and crucified His Holy Son; that was His plan from the beginning. Part of that plan was His converting all Jews back into Gentile status, from whence they came (Romans 11:32), and making everyone, Jew and Gentile alike.<P> Mac <P> biblebits.com

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Uh, I think I agree with the people that said that Tim LaHaye needs to have a biography site. I am also doing a report-ish thing regarding Tim LaHaye, and I have no information regarding such simple facts, such as birthplace and date. This is insane... And as for what I believe on the series and the end times and it's Biblical perspectives, I have a lot to say. But I won't; I have a paper to write. God Bless, Megan any info on Tim LaHaye, PLEASE e-mail me @ Megaroni009@hotmail.com Thankyou.

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Anybody have any info on Tim Lahaye I.e Birthdate birthplace. or have any info on a web-site or something. Email me any info at Grammakrly@aol.com Thanks so much and God Bless

Need Tim Lahaynes birthdate/place and childhood facts for my english report!!! how can he be so famous, and not have any infromation about himself on the net?!?! I realize I won't have the info in time, but maybe someone could post something for the next kid doing a report?

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I'M GLAD HANK IS PRESENTING A DIFFERENT VIEW BUT HIS VIEW IS TOO DRASTIC. LAHAYE'S VIEW IS TOTALLY WRONG TOO. JESUS RETURNS ONLY ONE TIME AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS. THIS IS THE SAME VIEW THAT THE APOSTLE PAUL TAUGHT TOO. THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS SATEN'S WRATH AGAINST GOD'S SAINTS WHO ARE LIVING AT THE TIME OF THE END. DANIEL'S VIEW AGREES WITH THIS TOO. A SECRET RAPTURE IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. IF YOU ARE TRYING TO GET SOME TRUTH OUT OF THESE NOVELS YOU BETTER LOOK IN THE SCRIPTURES THEY ARE VERY MISLEADING. THE PEOPLE WRITING THESE NOVELS DO NOT HAVE A CLEAR VIEW OF BIBLICAL SYMBOLOGY. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS SYMBOLIC AND WHAT IS LITERAL. SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHETHER YOU BECOME DECEIVED AND TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST. THAT'S WHY BELIEF IN THE PRE TRIB RAPTURE IS BAD AND WHY THE PRETERIST VIEW IS BAD. NEITHER VIEW PREPARES ONE FOR THE UPCOMING FALLING AWAY. JESUS SAID IF IT WERE POSSIBLE THE VERY ELECT WOULD BE DECEIVED. ARE YOU ALREADY DECEIVED BY LAHAYE AND HANK?

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I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE CRITICS OF THE BIBLE ARE CALLED OF GOD TO DO SO.I ONLY SEE CONFUSION AND DIVISION AND INSULTS.IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO STUDY MY BIBLE AND GLEAN FROM IT THE TRUTHS OF GOD WHILE CRITICS ARE ARGUING WITH THOSE WHO WRITE COMMENTARIES AND BOOKS OVER DOCTRINAL ISSUES.CRITICS SHOULD START UP THEIR OWN CHURCHS AND CALL IT THE "CHURCH OF CONFUSION"

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i would love to know where you get the idea that all news christians will have a mark to be known by and will be protected from the worst of the plagues , dont get me wrong doc , i want this to be true , but show me where in the bible it says this , i read that only 144,000 jews will be marked and protected

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The Pope teaches 3 = 2. This is the Mark of the Beast. Preterism believes #2. Orthodox believes #3. We all believe #1. 3 general resurrections - 1Cor 15.22-24; Jesus Anointed, AD 32; Old Heavens, AD 77, New Heavens, End of Time. Preterism denies #3, because of the Pope. sidwilliams7spirits@granitecity.com 3 dispensations - 2Pet 3; Pre-flood, 2492 BC, Old Heavens, AD 77, New Heavens, End of Time.

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Hi my name is Tamara Schie Me and my husband love all of your books left behind and the ones that go with the first one,and i would like to see if you could give me alist of all the books that go with left behind and the books that fallew it . Thankyou Tamara Schie

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Regarding the summary of the early history of millennial teaching, it is interesting that the author appeals to Gaius for support of a "biblical" position. When Gaius ranted against Cerinthus, he was also condemning the canonical book of Revelation. Gaius and the Alogi attributed the book of Revelation and the Gospel of John to Cerinthus, and rejected the book of Hebrews, because these books were effectively used by Montanists to support their "New Prophecy." Hippolytus wrote a treatise against the Alogi entitled "On the Gospel of John and the Apocalypse." Though the work is not extant, the Syrian Ebedjesu (Cat. libr. omn. eccl. 7) recalled that it attacked the heresy of the Alogi who denied the doctrine of the Logos and disparaged books of holy Scripture. For more on this see Metzger's The Canon of the New Testament.

Date: 03 Apr 2005
Time: 10:10:44

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I walked away from fundamentalism after years of researching the history of the "scriptures" and "authors". I believe that "Jesus" was indeed talking to the "generation" of THAT time, not some 2000 years in the future. Jesus makes reference to that particular generation many times. "Do not let them decieve YOU"...not someone 2000 years in the future. It's very clear. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. My 10 year old grandson figured it out on his own. Now, did "Jesus" return? I have no idea. It's possible his "kingdom" is merely a state of spirituality. No where in the scriptures is the word "rapture", you can tell me about your "twinkling in an eye" all you want, and to be brought up into the clouds with Christ, who knows what that means? It's all so complicated and interpreted so many ways. Mr. LaHaye, how do you know anything for certain? You don't and you can't. I think fundamental christians are spending too much time looking up to the sky.

Date: 07 Apr 2005
Time: 11:58:52

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Whether Time Lehaye is right or wrong is a secondary issue to the fact that you have attacked a fellow Christian through your words and especially through the tastless cartoon on this page. We can disagree in the Spirit of Christ without making personal attacks against a fellow Christians work or motives. 


Who are you to make yourself a judge of this mans motives... judging him as greedy and "laughing all the way to the bank". 


This is clearly indicative that even if your doctrine is correct... YOUR SPIRIT IS NOT OF CHRIST.


I suppose you will sluff off what I have just said as the words of someone who does not agree with you. Is this pleasing to our Lord?

Date: 01 Oct 2005
Time: 13:28:11

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although i am a pre trib believer all points of view should be tolerated. in matthew 24 v. 29 Jesus says immediately after the tribulation the Son of Man will appear in the clouds and the angels will gather up all believers. all will see Him. did this happen in the 1st. century? no.hannegraff says that johns use of the words soon and the time is near proves revelation was intended for a first century audience. doesnt Jesus use of the word immediately mean the same thing jesus did not return in the first century.

Date: 01 Oct 2005
Time: 17:24:48

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Absolute deception!!!

People today are not lead by the Holy Spirit, but by mere men.

God wants us to know the truth, but it can't happen unless we are seeking his face by the way in which we live.

Jesus came back to that last generation of Israelites, just like He promised. (Matt 10:23, Matt 16:27,28, Matt 24:34)

Remember, His "kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36)

Date: 01 Oct 2005
Time: 16:57:26

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Praise the Lord for Phillip. He had the true understanding of the truth that the seventy weeks are already fulfilled.

The most absurd thing is that all these so called "Preachers" are deceived and deceiving others, just like the religious leaders of our Lords time!

Jaime M. Gomez
San Jacinto, Cal.
jaime.irmapv@verizon.net

Date: 26 Oct 2005
Time: 15:07:43

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This is the first time a visit this site. very interesting. I do believe that alot of the modern church is involved in fables and the ideas of men. Because we dont know the bible as well as we know the fables.

Christus Vincit
Christus Regnat
Christus Imperat

May the truth remain and every fable be done away with. So that Zion can take her rightfull place.

FJ Du Plessis
South Africa

Date: 06 Jan 2006
Time: 09:12:54

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what exactly do preterist believe about the resurrection?

if Jesus came in 70AD then why are we still here?
What about all of the earthquakes and disasters that Revelation talks about?

I am disgusted with all this debate and controversy. what are non believers supposed to think. i think we should be more focused on trying to tell others about Jesus than trying to figure out if the events in Revelation have happened or not. se explanation used by Americans - "O my God!!" Is this a sign?

Date: 02 Jan 2006
Time: 06:36:25

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To all the comment writers here that are asking questions like, "Did all believers meet Jesus in the air in 70AD?", you must realize something. All these verses are not speaking of something literal. This is all symbolic talk about the difference between the flesh and the spirit. At Jesus coming in 70AD everyone was changed in a twinkling of an eye. No, it wasn't something you could see physically like some sci-fi movie. The change that is talked about was the covenant. The old covenant of law and DEATH, death being sin, was replaced by God's new covenant of grace, or life. Why doesn't anyone seem to get that? Paul tells us over and over in all his writings this very thing and people just don't seem to put two and two together. Paul tells us that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God so why does anyone believe that Jesus is coming back to earth in a body and we are going to be raised with a new body? Bodies have flesh and blood.

Jesus was speaking to Israels last generation. Their end was coming in that generation and their generations would cease to exist. When God made his covenant with natural Israel he said that many of the things he was giving them in the law like the Levitical priesthood would last for ALL of their generations. If Israel still exists or has now come back why don't they have these things like the Levitical preisthood? Was God mistaken? Futurists are just not consistent with what the Bible says. The entire Bible from front to back has been fulfilled. That is why we no longer have inspired writing concerning those events, the covenants, the history of God's interation with Israel, or anything else pertaining to the history of the Bible. All the writing that we see in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation was written while Israel was under the first covenant and now that we live in the Messianic age, or second

Date: 02 Mar 2006
Time: 10:22:06

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Greetings Saints and blessed be the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
As a prodigal I am, in these uncertian times, overwhelmed at the and appalled at the trivial things we christians can fight about. As a student of the whole Bible I believe we all must look to a simpler, more profound truth.
In Revelation 19:10 overwhelmed at the sight of the angel the writer falls down to worship him, the angel stops John saying "Do not do it" identifying with the writer as "a fellow servant of not only John but all those with a testimoney of Jesus" The angel then make what I believe to be the most critical statement of the ages

"the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy"

Therefore let us live today with the testimony of Jesus on our lips to all we come incontact with. The rest of these arguments and debates will pale in comparrison to His Glorious return.
For I am convinced that when He (Jesus) comes for us (the Church) on that glorious day, my mom and I and Hank and Tim and all those that have gone before us and to come will meet with the Lord and He will make plain that which we are not able to see clearly now.
Rev 19:9 Blessed are they that are invited to the Marriage supper of the Lamb.
SO GO OUT AND SPREAD THE INVITATIONS!!!

Date: 01 Mar 2006
Time: 09:55:40

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i'm 14 and i am really intersted in teh bible and the revalation. my granpa(who is really religous) introduced me to the ancient prophecie that is coming true. but what i want to nkow is why in the book of revalation is there seven of everything,like seven seals and ect.?

Date: 03 Mar 2006
Time: 17:31:36

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I really think the docmentation is good. However, I would like to comment that I am a church of Christ minister and I have doubts about the way we believe. The church thinks the end will not occur will not occur this way. I would like to contact Dr. Lahaye and discuss this matter at a different level. Can give his contact information.
Evangelist John Eldridge

Date: 04 Mar 2006
Time: 21:12:09

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Many Christians don't know this, but there are really three major "prophetic schools" of interpretation now in conflict - Preterism, Historicism, and Futurism. Each of these schools view the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation differently.

The 1st is that of the Praeterists; respecting the subject of prophecy, except in its two or three last chapters [of Revelation], to the catastrophes of the Jewish nation and old Roman Empire ... which Scheme, originally propounded, as we saw, by the Jesuit Alcasar, and then adopted by Grotius ... by Professor Moses Stuart in the United States of America, and by disciples in the German School in England ...
"The 2nd is the Futurist Scheme; making the whole of the Apocalyptic Prophecy, (excepting perhaps the primary Vision and Letters to the Seven Churches,) to relate to things now future, viz. the things concerning Christ's second Advent: a Scheme first set forth, [as] we saw, by the Jesuit [Francisco] Ribera, at the end of the 16th century; and which in its main principle has been urged alike by Dr. S.R. Maitland, Mr. Burgh, the Oxford Tractator o¬n Antichrist, and others, in our own times and era, not without considerable success ...
"The 3rd is what we may call emphatically the Protestant continuous Historic Scheme of Interpretation; that which regards the Apocalypse as a prefiguration in detail of the chief events affecting the Church and Christendom, whether secular or ecclesiastical, from St. John's time to the consummation: - a Scheme which, in regard of its particular application of the symbols of Babylon and the Beast to Papal Rome and Popedom, was early embraced, as we saw, by the Waldenses, Wickliffites, and Hussites; then adopted with fuller light by the chief [Protestant] reformers, German, Swiss, French and English, of the 16th century; and transmitted downwards uninterruptedly, even to the present time.

A complete treatment of Preterism, Futurism, and Historicism can be found in Steve Wohlberg's eye-opening book, End Time Delusions. Or go to endtimeinsights.com

Date: 08 May 2006
Time: 16:28:40

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I'm from the UK and have no idea what anybody is talking about, nor do I care..
Debate is fine, but our job is to lead people to the Lord, who otherwise will go to hell.
This is not a joke. This is serious!
Stop talking and arguing about all this 'stuff'.
Start getting out more and try winning souls over to Christ.
He died once for all of us. We need to tell people of this, not argue about all this nonsense I am trawling through. It is pointless and fruitless and devoid of any of the Spitiual Gifts.
How is this benifitting the body of Christ?
How is it helping win people over to God?
What purpose does all this rambling on about something really inconsequential help us move on in our walk with Christ and living a life which demonstrates the light of God?
Andy, United Kingdom

Date: 13 May 2006
Time: 23:06:57

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I would like to have Revelation 9:21 & 22 Explained since it seems from what I read, NO MAN is going to accept Jesus Christ EVEN

Date: 13 May 2006
Time: 23:11:18

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I would like to have Rev. 9:21 & 22 Explained since it seems NO MAN SHALL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST EVEN AFTER ALL THE PLAGUES ARE MEETED OUT.

You didn't give that in your books, none of the people who survive will accept God. How can there be people saved if no one accepts him?????

scarletteone2844@aol.com

Date: 29 May 2006
Time: 09:49:23

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The popularity of some recent books, videos and even a movie on what is commonly called “rapture” could leave some Christians feeling “Left Behind”. It can be hard not to feel left out as friends and others talk about the popular series.

Don’t feel left out or left behind. The Orthodox, Roman Catholic and mainstream Protestant Churches all reject this popular myth. You might be surprised to know that the idea of rapture didn’t even exist until about 170 years ago. No Christian believed in this term for the first 1,800 years of Christianity.

The event described by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is known to pre-millennialists as the rapture. It is viewed as occurring prior to the millennial reign of Christ. It, therefore, should not be confused with the resurrection of the unsaved, which occurs at the end of the millennium. Pre-millennialists differ as to the timing of the rapture, and generally hold to one of three positions (though there are others).

The pre-tribulation rapture position states that Christ will return for his Church prior to the 7-year tribulation period. Thus, believers will not experience the reign of antichrist.

The mid-tribulation rapture position states that Christ will return for his Church at the mid-point of the 7-year tribulation period. The second half of the tribulation is seen as the time when God's wrath is poured out upon a Christ-rejecting world. Since the Church is exempt from God's wrath, the Church will be raptured prior to this pouring out of God's wrath.

The pos-tribulation rapture position states that the rapture will occur at Christ's second coming. The Church will be present on earth during the entire tribulation period, but will not experience God's wrath. It will, however, experience the antichrist's persecution.

Eastern Orthodoxy rejects these teachings as being heretical in nature. There is also potential for great harm in mass dissemination of the notion of rapture.

All Christians up until the 1830’s believed in basically the same things about the second coming of Christ. During the 1830’s Margaret Macdonald, a Scottish member of a sect known as the Irvingites, made the first claim that there would be a trance (or rapture) and the faithful would be gathered to Christ before the period of persecution. The Protestant leader John Nelson Darby picked up this view. Cyrus Ingerson Scofield picked up Darby’s views and placed them in the footnotes of his Scofield Reference Bible. This Bible was widely used in England and America and many who read it readily accepted the idea of rapture.

Since that time other views on rapture have started, but all are still based on the notion of the rapture itself.

What is the “Orthodox view? As an Orthodox Christian, I believe in the second coming of Jesus Christ, the ensuing judgment of our sins and the resulting eternal life, spent either in bliss or in torment. Everything that the Bible says about a time of tribulation and suffering is accepted, but that the faithful will be present for all of it.

Christ himself tells us that all will suffer and that no one knows when he will return for judgment day.


Why Don’t Orthodox Christians Believe in the Rapture?
“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:9-13)

First of all we have to be suspicious something that no Church taught for 1,800 years suddenly emerges. That’s not enough of a reason to simply reject it, but it does mean that it should be viewed carefully.

Without getting into complex interpretations of Scripture, here are some basic Orthodox Christian considerations:

• Tradition: The Orthodox teachings about the end of the world reflect 2000 years of tradition originating with Christ’s Apostles. Believe it or not, the Church Fathers and their successors weren’t ignorant of scripture. We follow the teachings of the Church to avoid shortsighted interpretations of Scripture. This has helped the Orthodox Church avoid the spread of heretical teachings.
• Shaky Scriptural Basis: Through all the wonderful, intelligent teachers Christianity has had over time (Orthodox & non-Orthodox), the idea of rapture didn’t come about until it was envisioned by a 15 year-old girl in Scotland in the year 1830. The modern arguments in favor or rapture can be called into question through an even handed examination of the passages commonly used when arguing in favor of it. Even among Protestant denominations who believe in a totally literal reading of scripture rapture is not universally accepted.

Is it dangerous to believe in “Left Behind”? Yes, it may well be. Many of the arguments used in favor of rapture are taken from the Book of Revelation. Chapter 22:18-19 warn that anyone who adds to or takes away from the words in Revelation will meet with punishment from God. The interpretation of Revelation is therefore a very sticky issue. Revelation is the only New Testament book that the Orthodox Church doesn’t read in any of its worship. St. Peter also warns us that no prophecy is to be of private interpretation, yet many insist of reading into the book of Revelation.

Rather than argue over what the end will look like, we should keep in mind one unavoidable fact; we will all face judgment. Christ will examine each of us and as a result those who have done good will be resurrected to life and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. (John 5:29) Everything beyond preparing for Christ’s second coming (and judgment) is nothing more than a distraction. You have to ask yourself, “who would benefit the most by causing us to be distracted?”

Date: 18 Jun 2006
Time: 20:07:46

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I have been reading the new series of Babylon Rising and have been enjoying it as much as the Left Behind series, but in the third book Europa Rising there is an error regarding Bingham, see pg 311, 317, 322, and 326 I had to reread through a few times to make sure I was not misreading. In addition I was surprised to see that Saddam had started to rebuild Babylon in the book and did research online and found that to be true. Very interesting.

Date: 22 Jun 2006
Time: 08:37:21

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Rev. Tim LaHaye has really opened my eyes!! Specifically his comment that “I don’t think that people understand that 666 is not a good time,” LaHaye said. He said he sees signs of an upcoming “tribulation period” that leads to the Antichrist’s arrival in a movement toward one-world government, a single economic system and single religion.

He said it....!! Its happening now. Look at what our dear God fearing leader George W. Bush is doing. Thanks so much Reverand for making it so clear that these times are upon us and that Bush is leading the way with you right by his side.

Date: 03 Sep 2006
Time: 20:50:42

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I beecame a preterist believer when I discovered the last chapter in Bible has a city with good and outside evil, so I crossed referenced and found the New Jerusalem was a new covenant,not a city, and it was easy to believe after that. I find the Bible now to be very understandable when it is read as it is written. I thank God everyday for his love for me with revealing the truth that I search for. Thanks for this article

Date: 24 Sep 2006
Time: 21:25:47

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Stay in the Bible and you will see that Tim LaHaye speaks from it. Has anyone seen Jesus coming on the cloud yet? If not, He is not here yet and we are still waiting. But, I believe, the times are coming closer. Just look at the new reports each day. End times come from the violence and the loss of God. Satan has been at his best these past few years and it will only get worse. I, for one, know that Jesus is still waiting for His second coming. I'd rather be in Heaven.

Date: 11 Jul 2007
Time: 14:52:37

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Greetings.
Yes, Jesus is here, waiting in the wings, patiently, to get on stage so the whole world will understand him all the better. In John . . .said some good things, like, worshipping the father in knowledge and Spirit. Isn't happening yet, but, . . . .getting there. There are four steps. The Dead, who can't come up with any idea. The Asleep, who can't tell what is real and what isn't. The Awake, who, are going a direction but don't know it yet. And then there is Jesus, and those whom he has taught already, so that they know who he is.
You might want to learn some things first, like numbers, and letters from Proto Hebrew, just to get ready and be on the same page he is. If you like you can challenge him on this, when he arrives. I know you will.
Oh, one thing he wants to say, that, if anyone is left behind, there will be a toll free 1-800 number that you can call, so you can be brought "up" with him. I am not, he is not kidding.

Date: 26 Sep 2007
Time: 13:05:37

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If Lahaye interprets the Revelation so literally, why is the "mark of the beast" 216 instead of 666? Or even 616?