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Ambrose
Ambrose, Pseudo
Andreas
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Aphrahat
Athanasius
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Barnabus
BarSerapion
Baruch, Pseudo
Bede
Chrysostom
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Clement, Pseudo
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Maurus Rabanus
Remigius
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Severus
St. Symeon
Tertullian
Theophylact
Victorinus

HISTORICAL PRETERISM
(Minor Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation in Past)

Joseph Addison
Oswald T. Allis
Thomas Aquinas
Karl Auberlen
Augustine
Albert Barnes
Karl Barth
G.K. Beale
Beasley-Murray
John Bengel
Wilhelm Bousset
John A. Broadus

David Brown
"Haddington Brown"
F.F. Bruce

Augustin Calmut
John Calvin
B.H. Carroll
Johannes Cocceius
Vern Crisler
Thomas Dekker
Wilhelm De Wette
Philip Doddridge
Isaak Dorner
Dutch Annotators
Alfred Edersheim
Jonathan Edwards

E.B. Elliott
Heinrich Ewald
Patrick Fairbairn
Js. Farquharson
A.R. Fausset
Robert Fleming
Hermann Gebhardt
Geneva Bible
Charles Homer Giblin
John Gill
William Gilpin
W.B. Godbey
Ezra Gould
Hank Hanegraaff
Hengstenberg
Matthew Henry
G.A. Henty
George Holford
Johann von Hug
William Hurte
J, F, and Brown
B.W. Johnson
John Jortin
Benjamin Keach
K.F. Keil
Henry Kett
Richard Knatchbull
Johann Lange

Cornelius Lapide
Nathaniel Lardner
Jean Le Clerc
Peter Leithart
Jack P. Lewis
Abiel Livermore
John Locke
Martin Luther

James MacDonald
James MacKnight
Dave MacPherson
Keith Mathison
Philip Mauro
Thomas Manton
Heinrich Meyer
J.D. Michaelis
Johann Neander
Sir Isaac Newton
Thomas Newton
Stafford North
Dr. John Owen
 Blaise Pascal
William W. Patton
Arthur Pink

Thomas Pyle
Maurus Rabanus
St. Remigius

Anne Rice
Kim Riddlebarger
J.C. Robertson
Edward Robinson
Andrew Sandlin
Johann Schabalie
Philip Schaff
Thomas Scott
C.J. Seraiah
Daniel Smith
Dr. John Smith
C.H. Spurgeon

Rudolph E. Stier
A.H. Strong
St. Symeon
Theophylact
Friedrich Tholuck
George Townsend
James Ussher
Wm. Warburton
Benjamin Warfield

Noah Webster
John Wesley
B.F. Westcott
William Whiston
Herman Witsius
N.T. Wright

John Wycliffe
Richard Wynne
C.F.J. Zullig

MODERN PRETERISTS
(Major Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation in Past)

Firmin Abauzit
Jay Adams
Luis Alcazar
Greg Bahnsen
Beausobre, L'Enfant
Jacques Bousset
John L. Bray
David Brewster
Dr. John Brown
Thomas Brown
Newcombe Cappe
David Chilton
Adam Clarke

Henry Cowles
Ephraim Currier
R.W. Dale
Gary DeMar
P.S. Desprez
Johann Eichhorn
Heneage Elsley
F.W. Farrar
Samuel Frost
Kenneth Gentry
Steve Gregg
Hugo Grotius
Francis X. Gumerlock
Henry Hammond
Hampden-Cook
Friedrich Hartwig
Adolph Hausrath
Thomas Hayne
J.G. Herder
Timothy Kenrick
J. Marcellus Kik
Samuel Lee
Peter Leithart
John Lightfoot
Benjamin Marshall
F.D. Maurice
Marion Morris
Ovid Need, Jr
Wm. Newcombe
N.A. Nisbett
Gary North
Randall Otto
Zachary Pearce
Andrew Perriman
Beilby Porteus
Ernst Renan
Gregory Sharpe
Fr. Spadafora
R.C. Sproul
Moses Stuart
Milton S. Terry
Herbert Thorndike
C. Vanderwaal
Foy Wallace
Israel P. Warren
Chas Wellbeloved
J.J. Wetstein
Richard Weymouth
Daniel Whitby
George Wilkins
E.P. Woodward
 

FUTURISTS
(Virtually No Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 & Revelation in 1st C. - Types Only ; Also Included are "Higher Critics" Not Associated With Any Particular Eschatology)

Henry Alford
G.C. Berkower
Alan Patrick Boyd
John Bradford
Wm. Burkitt
George Caird
Conybeare/ Howson
John Crossan
John N. Darby
C.H. Dodd
E.B. Elliott
G.S. Faber
Jerry Falwell
Charles G. Finney
J.P. Green Sr.
Murray Harris
Thomas Ice

Benjamin Jowett
John N.D. Kelly

Hal Lindsey
John MacArthur
William Miller
Robert Mounce

Eduard Reuss

J.A.T. Robinson
George Rosenmuller
D.S. Russell
George Sandison
C.I. Scofield
Dr. John Smith

Norman Snaith
"Televangelists"
Thomas Torrance
Jack/Rex VanImpe
John Walvoord

Quakers : George Fox | Margaret Fell (Fox) | Isaac Penington


PRETERIST UNIVERSALISM | MODERN PRETERISM | PRETERIST IDEALISM

John L. Bray
Evangelist/Author | Southern Baptist | Author of "Matthew 24 Fulfilled"

  • 12/10/10: Reclassified as "Modern Preterist" I do not deny that Jesus Christ will come again at sometime in our future. But what I do say is that most, if not all, of the Bible passages we have interpreted to refer to such a future coming actually referred to the coming of Christ in judgment on the nation of Israel in Ad 67-70. Jesus said the “parousia” would occur in His generation, along with the other things the disciples had asked Him about (Matthew 24:3, 34). It is difficult to get any other interpretation out of this, even though traditions have declared otherwise. It is the Bible versus tradition on this matter, and one can draw his own conclusions as to which one is right.” (12/10 Biblical Perspectives) (HyP Response: "He's is 89 years old, a little mixed up at times")

 

GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT, THE GREAT SUMMATION OF THE FINAL JUDGMENT OF ALL MANKIND IS NOT YET ; RESURRECTION OF BELIEVERS AFTER DEATH ; DEATH WILL ULTIMATELY BE BANISHED

"When Jesus Christ "comes" and sits upon the great white throne of judgment, this will not be a "coming" to this earth, nor in any naturalistic, materialistic and physical manner. This judgment will be accomplished in the spiritual world, in another dimension than this materialistic natural world of ours made up of earthly thrones and judicial councils. His reign and His rule and his judgment are spiritual matters. The great summation of the final judgment of all mankind is pictured in symbolic language in Revelation 20:11-15. Those who are lost are "cast into the lake of fire." Death and Hell, both intangible and abstract subjects, are pictured as also being cast into the lake of fire. In these words we are being told that Death and Hell will be no more. Death will ultimately be banished. And hell which has captured the souls of men after bodies have died, will be no more. This "second death" will have no power over God's people forever; and God will be all in all!"

(Holds to a Future Resurrection)
"At death, which is not really death for the Christian (John 11:25-26), we receive our heavenly bodies, so that we shall not be found naked, but clothed upon (II Corinthians 5:4). This is our resurrection body! ' . . and so shall we ever be with the Lord' (I Thessalonians 4:17)." (page 30)

"In May of 1980 a situation occurred which proved very embarrassing to me, but which turned out to be the beginning of a transformation in my ministry, as far as my views on eschatology were concerned.  I had been invited to be with two churches in Germany -- one on Sunday morning, and the other for meetings Sunday night through Wednesday; then I was to go on to meetings in Egypt.  The previous year I had preached at both churches, with meetings of several nights at Rheinland Baptist Church in Einsiedlerhof..  On Saturday, the day before I was to preach, both pastors met with me, and they seemed disturbed.  The pastor of the church where I was to conduct meetings asked me, "Are you a 'pre-trib'?  I asked him to define his terms, so that I would know exactly what he was asking.  The other pastor immediately responded by asking me, "Do you believe the rapture takes place before the 70th week of Daniel?"  At that time I still had not done much studying in the prophecies in Daniel, and as mentioned before, had not given any special study to that particular prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27.  Certainly I had never preached on it nor did I have any plans to do so.  I answered simply, "I don't know."  As a result, and because I did not declare myself a "pre-tribulational rapture" preacher and would not agree that the rapture would occur prior to a tribulation period which according to one of them was presumably taught in Daniel 9, I was handed $200 and taken to the train station for Frankfurt.  The pastor said, "No pre-tribulation rapture, no meetings!" Just like that!  The pastor showed me that in this church's by-laws was a stipulation that one must believe in the pre-tribulation rapture to even belong to the church!" (Matthew 24 Fulfilled, 1996, pp. 280-281)

(On "Who is This Babylon")
"This is one of the most comprehensive books on New Testament eschatology that I have ever read. The book of Revelation is explained from the preterist perspective, and the author relates all of it to the Pauline epistles and Jesus' Olivet Discourse. While I would not agree with everything in the book (e.g. the nonliteral approach to the resurrection), it should settle many questions about the fulfillment of the book of Revelation. There are many good arguments for the early dating of Revelation. This book is a must for your library!" Evangelist John L. Bray, Lakeland, Florida

 

 

WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID
 

Kenneth Kirkland
"The writings of one John Bray, a Baptist writer, strongly influenced Smith. John Bray preaches the twin doctrines of Amillennialism and Preterism. Larry Smith and I sharply disagreed, first, on the millennial, later, on past-trib. He spiritualized the thousand years of Rev. 20, placing the first resurrection (Rev. 20:4-6) all the way back at the beginning of the Church age. By doing so, the first resurrection is spiritualized." (The Past-Trib Blasphemy)

Justice Laurence
"Alarming to me is the fact that the present day upsurge of the twisted thinking of preterism is taking place largely, though not exclusively, among those who call themselves Baptists. Probably the most visible and vocal preterist today is John L. Bray of Lakeland, Florida who is a Southern Baptist evangelist. Bray’s book "The Rapture Of The Christian" is being mailed free to Southern Baptist pastors around the country and somehow a copy of it has fallen into my hands and I have recently finished reading it." (Preposterous Preterism)

James Lloyd
"As a case in point, a prominent preterist named John L Bray refers to the Sodom and Gommorah passage where the Lord Himself says "I will go down now, and see whether they have dome altogether according to the cry of it" (Genesis 18:21). The reader will remember this is the famous passage where Abraham sees "three men" that are apparently a manifestation of "the angel of the Lord" on their way to Sodom to destroy the place.  Yet Bray (and other preterists) goes on to say that this action where the Lord says He will be directly involved in such things is not to be taken literally — as he assumes this to be "highly symbolic language" (Matthew 24 fulfilled, J L Bray, page 176). Continuing this line of reasoning, Bray goes on to say that when the prophet Micah refers to the Lord saying "...the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire..." that such Old Testament scripture must be just a figure of speech.  

Bray and the apostates called preterists can't seem to muster enough faith to believe that God actually does what he says. Like all the others caught in the same web of intellectual deceit, John L Bray continually seeks to allegorize Old Testament accounts of the Lord's direct intervention as a way to show why they believe that Jesus does the same thing whenever He predicts spectacular events — catastrophic future events such as the time when "the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light" (Matthew 24:29).

A good example of this attempted scriptural distortion is found in a preterist book called Matthew 24 Fulfilled. In this undiscerning work, Baptist pastor Bray coolly informs us that when God promises to Moses concerning the Israelites "I am come down to deliver them" (Exodus 3:8), He doesn't mean that He will literally be present. Yet my Bible has convinced me that God said "I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn..." (Exodus 12:11). The whole episode is in the first person, for to Israel, God says that "...when I see the blood, I will pass over you" (Exodus 12:13)." (Scoffers: Preterists and II Peter 3)

RaptureMe
"When one closely examines MacDonald's vision, It becomes clear that her vision could not have been a pretribulation one. MacDonald looked for a "fiery trial which is to try us," and she foresaw the Church being purged by the Antichrist. Any pretribulation rapturist can tell you the Church will be removed before the advent of the Antichrist. John Bray, an anti-rapturist, said himself that Margaret MacDonald was teaching a single coming of our Lord Jesus. This contradicts current rapture doctrine that teaches a two staged event - Christ first coming for His Church and then seven years later His return to earth. With so many contradictions between MacDonald's vision and today's pretribulationism, I find it very difficult to see any linkage here." (Margaret McDonald Who?)

Andrew P. Sandlin
"In his booklet The Rapture of Christians, Southern Baptist evangelist John Bray unambiguously endorses the Hymenaen ("consistent preterist") heresy: the denial of the bodily, physical return of Christ and the bodily, physical resurrection of the saints.

I document this charge below. He holds that the Second Advent occurred on or about A. D. 70, and that the resurrection of the saints occurs at their death. In other words, he denies the physical return  of Christ to earth in power and glory as well as the physical resurrection of the Christian. (What Bray really supports is not a resurrection, but a replacement.)

This is at variance with the Bible's teaching. It is also at variance with Christian orthodoxy, in other words, with Christianity. The doctrines of Christ's physical return and believers' physical resurrection are not secondary, though important, doctrines like baptism, millennialism, and church government. They are at the heart of Christianity.   Christianity is not only a relationship with Jesus Christ (though it surely is not less than that).
" (The Braying of Heretics (The Heresies of Bray)

"Dean" (2000)
"Preterist is a new word to me,but the idea is as old as reading history of the Greeks and Romans.I have always wondered why some people take the bible so personal as to think it was written just for them . I will forever be thankful for the day that I found out that I was one (a Preterist) and now the scriptures make a lot more sence when you read it in context of the time factor. I thank John L.Bray and his books,Matthew 24 Fulfilled and Bible Prophecy." (2000 Guestbook)

 
Date:
13 Nov 2003
Time:
17:44:34

Comments

I did not realize that I used to be a preterist,, cause I seem to believe everything John L Bray teaches. Have tried to awaken the Canadian TV Christian MIRACLE CHANNEL CJIL TV AT www.miraclechannel.ca> paul@insight@miraclechannel.camiraclechannel.ca Please request that John Bray be a guest on that channel.Thank uo. ffcott@cablerocket.com


Date:
16 Dec 2003
Time:
06:12:08

Comments

Subj: [shamireaders] Saddam Bound, by Israel Shamir Date: 12/15/2003 7:47:22 AM Eastern Standard Time From: shamir@home.se Reply-to: shamireaders-owner@yahoogroups.com To: shamireaders@yahoogroups.com Sent from the Internet (Details] We must pray for the salvation of Saddam. What a domino effect that would have on the world! A Day of Judgment for a Tyrant Martha Lucia www.watchmannetwork.org As I intently watched the news of the capture of Saddam Hussein and saw his photograph, the Lord brought to mind Isaiah 14: 15-17 (Amplified) “Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol [Hades], to the inmost recesses of the pit [the region of the dead]. Those who see you will gaze at you and consider you, saying, Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms? Who made the world like a wilderness and overthrew its cities, who would not permit his prisoners to return home?” This passage in many ways exemplifies the events of today and the acts that Hussein carried out.


Date: 24 Jul 2006
Time: 16:04:38

Comments:

Jack Gibbert
Texarkana, Texas

Greatly appreciate your work "The Man Of Sin." Am dissapointed with the lack of book, chapter and verse notations for your Josephus quotes. Page numbers are of no help as there are many publishers of that work, please redo that work and include "book, chapter and verse."


Date: 16 Oct 2006
Time: 20:32:05

Comments:

I ran into john Bray's material years ago. He maintained that there would be no real thousand years reign on the earth. I sent him a letter quoting Revelation 5:10 which says, "And hath made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." I asked him how we could reign on the earth if there no thousand years reign on the earth? He never answered me. Clarence Odom


Date: 22 Jan 2007
Time: 10:44:57

Comments:

Dear Sir madam,
I came across a little bookletby John l bray"We need a rival and I was very pleased with the sermons in it. I also see at the back of it an order form for 44 of these little books.
I was wondering if these books can be purchased on line because I will like to abtain all 43 these are books like heaven Hell Salvation,Launch out into the deep, some scriptual certainties etc,
I will very much like to obtain these books I cant find them on line could you direct me where to look so that I can get them. I hope they are not out of stock. because these should never be.
my e- mail address is Venals64@hotmail.com be sure to let me know.
This is important to me and my salvation.


Date: 10 Feb 2007
Time: 09:58:19

Comments:



Clarence:
I could be that the four beasts and the 24 elders represent saved people on earth. If that is true, then they represent those who reigned on earth. That was then. In your and my case, we shall reign on earth, also. Salvation has made us kings and priests, and however many years we have left, we shall reign on earth until we die.
So, believe it or not, you are a king. Don't mess up!

mac@tribulationhoax.com

www.tribulationhoax.com


Date: 20 Feb 2007
Time: 04:42:44

Comments:

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Date: 20 Feb 2007
Time: 14:41:38

Comments:


Revelation 5:10 says that we shall reign on the earth. It doesn't say how long. Revelation 20:5 speaks of the souls of them that were killed, and others who had not worshiped the beast... and they lived and reigned with Christ 1000 years. Rev. 20 mentions a "thousand years" a number of times, but the "thousand years" is never defined in the Bible as exactly 1000 years. The word, translated from the Greek, means only an indefinite period of time.
the "thousand years" began in the days of Christ, or about AD70 at the latest, and are continuing until the end times.
Mac
mac@tribulationhoax.com
www.tribulationhoax.com


Date: 14 Aug 2007
Time: 17:40:52

Comments:

I believe Evangelist John L. Bray is right in the book Matthew 24 Fulfilled.Elder Kenneth R. Parker


Date: 09 Sep 2007
Time: 13:27:51

Comments:

John Bray is an example of "Thinking Conservatives," a group of expanding believers, simply because they choose to 'think.' Thinking seems to be a lost art among the dispensationalists.

Dave George
 


Date: 23 Dec 2007
Time: 12:00:44

Comments:

I was delighted with John L. Bray's Matthew 24 Fulfilled. The protestants who are accusing him of heresy remind me of the catholics who accused the protestants of heresy. The unveiled threat of a future hell for Mr. Bray reminds me of the fires that the catholics prepared for the protestants. Thank God that Mr. Bray, like the early protestants, holds to the truth of God's word while rejecting the traditions and fables of the established church...............Rick Newton


Date: 11 Jun 2009
Time: 15:43:47

Your Comments:

I think that the Bible is taken out of context by these people who have no revelation of God word. Why would the church leave the earth, if Christ is coming (gr. becoming-appearing)for His bride. A church who has been preparing for the great harvest of Souls that will inherit the earth. Matthew 24 states that the ones taken will be like the days of Noah. All the sinners, non believers perished and Noah and his family left on earth. None of Us know the truth and the Gospels did not speak of a rapture, not found in the Bible,or of the Church leaving other wise Jesus would have told them, His (Disciples). Let's win Souls for Christ a mandate given to us all. PW


 


Date: 11 Jul 2009
Time: 04:22:39

Your Comments:

After reading John L. Bray books the bible is no longer confusing to me ,Its all clear to me now when I compare his words with the bible.


Date: 04 Jan 2010
Time: 14:18:52

Your Comments:

I thank John L Bray is very well read and i agree with the Book Matthew 24 fulfilled The scripture makes more sence when you read it in context to belive other wise you have to take the Bible out of context . I do not believe in the Premillennialism . (I am a United Baptist MInister . Elder Kenneth R> Parker .


 


Date: 02 Feb 2010
Time: 14:46:04

Your Comments:

There is little doubt that the events of 70 AD were at least a partial fulfillment of prophecies in Matthew 24 et al. Yet we see that there has been a flow of events for the past nearly 2,000 years that has obviously been following the Book of Revelation so there is also little doubt that the historical view has been true as well. How do you balance this. See Dr. Jones' comments at www.Gods-Kingdom.org

 


Date: 25 Feb 2010
Time: 10:27:47

Your Comments:

The 70 weeks of years is Jewish (Hebrew) in nature. The Jews were set in abeyance once the gospel went out to the gentiles, due to the Jews refusal to accept Jesus.
Seventy weeks of years is 490 years. At the time of the abeyance, 463 years had passed. We are now in the "Time Of The Gentiles". When the rapture occurs (Prior to the tribulation - 7 years), then the 'Time Of The Gentiles' will be over and the 'Time of Israel' will resume. If the Jews had excepted Jesus in about 70 AD, then those final seven years before the millenium rule of Christ would have happened back in the first century. But they didn't, therefore the above has to be correct. The seventy weeks of years (490 years from the rebuilding of the temple by Nehemiah)never included the gentiles.


Date: 26 Feb 2010
Time: 20:30:58

Your Comments:

John L. Bray is only a full preterist as far as the Second Coming is concerned, but he, himself, has said that there are things yet to be fulfilled. Not all Scripture prophecies have been fulfilled. The Son still has to deliver the Kingdom to the Father and God become "all in all". These are yet future and john L. Bray admits that. Only the Second Coming, the ending of the Jewish Age and establishment of Christ's spiritual kingdom, have been fully fulfilled.


Date: 20 Dec 2010
Time: 07:15:50

Your Comments:

I agree w/Pastor John Bray's conclusions in his book "Matthew 24 Fulfilled". He uses scripture and other secular historic resources (including full documentation) to really get folks thinking! In fact, he nearly exhausts the subject! Nevertheless, he offers a very scholarly study on the subject of the destruction of Jerusalem and its eschatological consequences. God bless John Bray!
 


Date: 27 Dec 2010
Time: 09:28:44

Your Comments:


the writings of John Bray and Mike Blume especially makes the Word of God easy to be understood. Larry Smith's teaching along with others who have in times past taught like these men makes sense of the Bible. I was raised U.P.C.[Apostolic]and for the most part were taught in concerning [end time] we had to go outside of the Bible to find answers. With the teachings of men like these all people can finally search the scriptures and understand what is meant, esp. concerning Matthew 24 and other end time scriptures. It also opens the whole Bible to clearer understanding. Daniel prophesied Gods' kingdom was going to fill the whole earth, and it is through the church.
Steve Cornwell


Date: 12 Mar 2011
Time: 11:50:30

Your Comments:

Evangelist John L. Bray has been a long distance friend for many years. I have a library of small books he has written over the years, but my favoriate is Matthew 24 Fulfilled. Christians have "renued minds". John challenges your mind. Probably for many he challenges what you heard in Sunday School. Now, as an adult God tells us to search the scriptures. This you should do; then tell John where he is in error. John is a humble man and he closes his Matthew 24 Fulfilled writing by saying "I do not believe I have all the truth. What I am saying here is that I am not closing my mind to any new understanding of truth which God lets develop in my mind. You tell him what the Bible says as he has told you. "the foolish and the dead alone never change their opinions." James Russell Lowell.
 


Date: 06 Jun 2012
Time: 04:44:18

Your Comments:

John Bray has made a surprising, refreshing difference in the formation of my eschatological views and views of prophecy. Although I do not entirely agree with him on all topics, it has been a sustaining and illuminating experience to go through his views on prophecy and some fallacies of rapturist and eschatological interpretations. Labels don't matter and I can only struggle to come to terms with malignant labeling as "braying of heretics". Bray has certainly influenced my understanding on the complexity and versatileness of Biblical prophecy. I do heartily credit him for this.
 


Date: 06 Aug 2012
Time: 22:51:17

Your Comments:

L Bray has brought so much perspective to the bible. What never used to makes sense make sense now. He is referred to as a heretic by some. Well then I stand by him as one! If that's what a believer of the truth is called. Funny how people are so caught up in the way they believe about something that their brains are completely closed off to the concept of something else. They judge and slander without actually using their brain and putting some thinking into what some one (in this case, Bray) is stating. Bray thank you for your dedication in the study on this topic. It has been said that your thinking is a little mixed up at your old age but I would like to remind the person who said that, that the bible says with age comes wisdom; Job is full of examples...
 


Date: 06 Aug 2012
Time: 22:51:17

Your Comments:

L Bray has brought so much perspective to the bible. What never used to makes sense make sense now. He is referred to as a heretic by some. Well then I stand by him as one! If that's what a believer of the truth is called. Funny how people are so caught up in the way they believe about something that their brains are completely closed off to the concept of something else. They judge and slander without actually using their brain and putting some thinking into what some one (in this case, Bray) is stating. Bray thank you for your dedication in the study on this topic. It has been said that your thinking is a little mixed up at your old age but I would like to remind the person who said tDate: 02 Aug 2012
Time: 21:49:50

Your Comments:

I was reading John L. Bray's book Matthew 24 Fulfilled, and it went into great detail about everything, I have repented from a premillenial background, I wold like to know or have reccomendations on something that goes through Matthew 24:40-42 "Then shall be two in the field; the one taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." I never could connect this to AD 70, but it makes sense to me that it had to have happened then, otherwise Jesus words are like a jigsaw puzzle, and I refuse to believe that anymore. Can anyone reccomend a book that goes into this in more detail? Also, I was looking for the book in Mr. Bray's bibliography 5 hours to a better eschatology by George M. Bowman but I can't seem to find it anywhere, and googled mr. bowman's name and found he passed on. Is it a book, or a series of lectures? Has anyone heard of it, and does anyone know where to find it?
Please let me know if you can
Thanks for what you all do
Jasonhat, that the bible says with age comes wisdom; Job is full of examples...
 


Date: 13 Sep 2011
Time: 17:48:32

Your Comments:

If Revelation was written after 70 AD, why were there 2 different numbers used to calculate the same beast in Revelation 13:18 (616 and 666) which pointed to Nero?
What purpose would it serve for John to tell the first readers of his prophecy to "calculate" the number of the name of the beast if he was not to be born until 2000 years later?
If God has 2 different plans for jews and gentiles, why does Paul say there isn't any more distinction (Romans 10:12, Galatians 3:28, Colossians 3:11)?
Why did Jesus break the wall of partition between jews and gentiles (Ephesians 2:14) if there is going to be a partition in a future millennium?

 


Date: 13 Sep 2011
Time: 17:38:48

Your Comments:

WELL BEING ONE OF THOSE GOOFY PRETERIST I WOULD AGREE
WITH John Bray. THE FUTURIST HAVE NO ANSWERS THAT HOLD ANT WATER WHAT SOEVER AND EVERY TIME YOU TURN AROUND ONE OF THEM IS RELATING A WORLD EVENT, OR ATMOSPHERIC CONDITION TO BIBLE PROPHECY. WHAT A JOKE
ON CHRISTIANITY. PRETERISUM IS THE ONLY SENSIBLE WAY
TO INTERPRET SCRIPTURE FOR TODAY. AND JOHN BRAY YOU
GO MAN!!!
 


Date: 01 Sep 2011
Time: 02:29:51

Your Comments:

I am also a preterist. The revelation of scripture became so much easier after reading David Chiltons book "Days Of Vengence" and "Paradise Restored" I am looking forward to reading John L. Bray as well. I am a Ordained Assembly Of God Minister. Kind of lonely out here. God is gracious.
 


Date: 15 Jan 2011
Time: 08:17:03

Your Comments:

i think he's right on target and lines up with the word. i would like a copy of matthew 24 fulfilled.

 


Date: 27 Dec 2010
Time: 09:28:44

Your Comments:


the writings of John Bray and Mike Blume especially makes the Word of God easy to be understood. Larry Smith's teaching along with others who have in times past taught like these men makes sense of the Bible. I was raised U.P.C.[Apostolic]and for the most part were taught in concerning [end time] we had to go outside of the Bible to find answers. With the teachings of men like these all people can finally search the scriptures and understand what is meant, esp. concerning Matthew 24 and other end time scriptures. It also opens the whole Bible to clearer understanding. Daniel prophesied Gods' kingdom was going to fill the whole earth, and it is through the church.
Steve Cornwell


Date: 20 Dec 2010
Time: 07:15:50

Your Comments:

I agree w/Pastor John Bray's conclusions in his book "Matthew 24 Fulfilled". He uses scripture and other secular historic resources (including full documentation) to really get folks thinking! In fact, he nearly exhausts the subject! Nevertheless, he offers a very scholarly study on the subject of the destruction of Jerusalem and its eschatological consequences. God bless John Bray!
 

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