(Minor Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation
Oswald T. Allis
John A. Broadus
Wilhelm De Wette
Charles Homer Giblin
Johann von Hug
J, F, and Brown
Jean Le Clerc
Jack P. Lewis
Sir Isaac Newton
Dr. John Owen
William W. Patton
Rudolph E. Stier
(Major Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation
John L. Bray
Dr. John Brown
Francis X. Gumerlock
J. Marcellus Kik
Ovid Need, Jr
Milton S. Terry
(Virtually No Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 & Revelation in 1st
C. - Types Only ; Also Included are "Higher Critics" Not Associated With Any
Alan Patrick Boyd
John N. Darby
Charles G. Finney
J.P. Green Sr.
John N.D. Kelly
Dr. John Smith
George Fox |
Margaret Fell (Fox) |
PRETERIST UNIVERSALISM |
MODERN PRETERISM |
Apology Regarding Full/Hyper Preterism (2011) "After recording this,
i thought there was actually a lot more i could have said, especially
concerning the absurd comments by Alan Bondar. While the resurrection of
the body is certainly a ‘hope’ for Christians, it is not the end all be
all. And saying that only a few have exegeted the text of I Co 15 in
nearly 2,ooo years of church history is just absolutely mind-numbing.
But, this video isn’t really about Alan. It’s about my own failures."
11/30/10: Reclassified from
Hyper Preterist to "Modern Preterist"
"Atonement hiphop inspired by John Owen"
(11/30/10) "I'm done with full preterism. I'm wanting to pursue systematics.
I'm not interested in rabbit trails about personalities. Sorry. Maybe it
will lead me back to full preterism, but frankly, i just don't see it
happening. I see nothing to work with. Good luck trying to mentor and lead a
paradigm that is undefined and ambiguous. Even Chuck admits, "The fact is
that it’s never been clearly defined even what a full preterist is"'
An Apology to the Public
(August 26, 2010) "The online Preterist community is an
embarrassment on many levels. And by "preterism", i am referring to full
preterism.. i am preaching against myself as well. I have been guilty of
some of these things. Hence, one of the reasons i wanted to take a
break and reassess things."
Semper Reformanda Full Preterism (2010) "I believe leaving the
community and being inactive elsewhere (not entirely, but to a large
degree) helped position me now into the role of an 'outsider' in regards
to full preterism. Technically, I wasn't an outsider. Practically, I
was. Instead of having my head buried in the sand and getting immersed
with all the in-house scuffles, I was now able to step back and look at
the bigger picture...and I didn't like what I saw. I blogged about this,
an apology which has now been
featured at the infamous
PreteristArchive, a site ran by another former full preterist, Todd
"The rub is ~ given full preterist
presuppositions, i want to know how you GOT from point A to point B.
Systematically, logically, exegetically. Full preterism has NOT, i repeat, NOT
done this! If any full preterist contests that they have, then all they have to
do is simply provide the link here to either the work online
or to a book they have published. It doesn't exist." // "And since no full preterist has done it ~ then why in
the world would any full preterist get upset with me for stepping back and
saying, "dang. I don't know about this full pret stuff anymore"? Why in the
world would anyone get upset with me for wanting to exercise more CAUTION and to
stop being dogmatic about a viewpoint that basically hasn't answered much of
An Apology to the Public Regarding Full Preterism
The online Preterist
community is an embarrassment on many levels. And by "preterism", i am
referring to full preterism.. i am preaching against myself as
the only thing preterists are dogmatic on is that "Jesus already
"...if it isn't enough to make me rethink the foundations of
preterism, it at least makes me want to disassociate myself from
have heard often that a systematic approach would "destroy"
preterism. Now, because i have always been pro-systematic, i would
just respond by saying, "No, that's nuts. It has to be systematized.
But now i wonder, "maybe that's the problem...it can't." If you've
been paying any attention at all to the discussion forums involving
preterists, you will see nothing but one crazy disjointed claim
kinda like that game Jenga. 54 wood blocks are placed in a tin can,
all nice and neat, to form a "tower". The can is then lifted. Each
player takes a turn removing a block from the tower and then places
that block on the top to balance things. Eventually, someone is
going to remove a piece that topples the whole thing and thereby
loses the game. Some pieces can be moved with little notice. Some
blocks are more important though, upon which these seemingly less
significant ones rest. But even these less significant blocks will
eventually fall as well, when the foundation is constantly picked
at. It's all connected.
Oh, we're "reforming" alright. Reforming
the WHOLE kit and caboodle! Heck, we have practically toppled the
whole of Christianity and are playing with a different set of
blocks! And what have we constructed thus far? "Well, we know Jesus
came back. That will be our foundation block...now lets build on top
of that. The rest of this stuff...well...let's just converse
Response: "His message is lost in his rhetoric. If the same message
had come without the attacks on people and groups, I would have been
the first one lining up to praise Jason. Instead it came off
as just another one of Jason’s rants against various people that all
of us have seen and most of us have been the subject of. "
Response: "When things like this happen, I feel--not outrage or
anger, but just a profound sense of sadness and loss. I felt the
same way with Roderick, Brian, Todd, Sharon and others who have
drifted from the what I understand the Scriptures to teach. If Sam
and Jason both announced tomorrow that they were returning to FULLER
futurism, I would not be angry at either or them---there is a cost
and a price that each of us pays in taking a stand for our
convictions. But I would feel like there had been a death in the
family...it is simply a profound sense of sadness and loss, that is
the only way to describe it. I cannot remain unaffected."
Former HyP Response: "I DO
happen to agree with what he was saying because much of what he
talked about is part of the reason I left full preterism too. So no,
I'm not offended by what he said because it happens to be the truth.
As much as I don't like to hear it, I must face up to the facts."