(Minor Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation
Oswald T. Allis
John A. Broadus
Wilhelm De Wette
Charles Homer Giblin
Johann von Hug
J, F, and Brown
Jean Le Clerc
Jack P. Lewis
Sir Isaac Newton
Dr. John Owen
William W. Patton
Rudolph E. Stier
(Major Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation
John L. Bray
Dr. John Brown
Francis X. Gumerlock
J. Marcellus Kik
Ovid Need, Jr
Milton S. Terry
(Virtually No Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 & Revelation in 1st
C. - Types Only ; Also Included are "Higher Critics" Not Associated With Any
Alan Patrick Boyd
John N. Darby
Charles G. Finney
J.P. Green Sr.
John N.D. Kelly
Dr. John Smith
George Fox |
Margaret Fell (Fox) |
PRETERIST UNIVERSALISM |
MODERN PRETERISM |
Dr. Kelly Nelson Birks
"The author takes the
position that the bible teaches that Christ's victory is
progressive in it's linear and historical effects relative to
the goal of the future consummation of all things in accordance
with the divine plan of overthrowing sin in all of it's
expressions within the experience of mankind, and that we have
been slowly heading towards this biblical goal. This has
been happening essentially from creation, but most certainly
from the advent of Christ as the Lamb slain from the foundation
of the world. He will, "....gather together in one all
things in Christ, both which are in heaven and on earth...."
(The End of Sin, p. 8)
The End of
Sin: An Eschatological Odyssey Into Teloarmatia
"The End of Sin" (Teloarmatia),
is a biblical study concerning God's plan to bring an end to the fact
and existence of sin within the human race. Beginning with the Genesis
account of the fall of Adam and all his progeny therein, the book
escalates towards the propitiatory cross-work of Christ and demonstrates
how those whom he has "substituted" (propitiated) for, will themselves
one day be in a sinless existence in an individual one-to-one ratio of
non-carbon based spiritual bodies that clothe the believer's spirit that
are given to them out of heaven. The power of the gospel will bring
about ultimate Teloarmatia as all nations come into the church of Christ
over historical time via regeneration and the "New Heavens and Earth"
continues to overthrow the existence of sin in mankind along with it's
physical earthly effects. The book is heavily end-noted and includes
extensive bibliography and appendix information concerning the Preterist
point of view of eschatology.
"No one before Max had ever written or talked about
this corporate body view of the resurrection. This “new information” was
begun and had it’s genesis in the mind of a single, uninspired human
being. It is neither legitimate nor glorifying to God to take as one’s
teacher on so important a subject as this without critical analysis. We
have not done this." http://preterism.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=1632544%3ABlogPost%3A21202
“equation of Max King with Martin Luther is a
troubling one. Luther was bringing forth what has always been in the
biblical text. King was and is doing no such thing. Max King (as I said
before and what you re-quouted above) is unlike Luther, in that Max was
the FIRST to advance such a contrived view and baptizing it as
scripture. We need to not continue to repeat his mistakes.”
I’m saying that in order for King’s view to have any
weight at all, it should at least be able to provide us with others who
wrote over the last say, 2000 years, who saw and affirmed the same
things that Max is affirming regarding CBV. The overall historical
picture of Preterism for example, does in fact possess such historical
adherents who took the view to lesser or greater lengths"
"It is hermeneutical error to take
an OT quote as a means by which one attempts to bring light to a fresh
NT truth. This is made overtly clear when some of us take a passage like
Isa. 25:19 or Hosea 6:1-3 which said contexts are using the analogy of
resurrection as a means to communicate the nation of Israel's
restoration back to the land of promise from Babylonian, Assyrian, and
I have never been able to understand how any Pret could read these OT
texts and ignore the context of those passages that teach the above. But
the reverse methodology that I have described is being used I believe to
support a preterist prejudice.
The prejudiced was given birth by Max King. No one before Max had ever
written or talked about this corporate body view of the resurrection.
This "new information" was begun and had it's genesis in the mind of a
single, uninspired human being. It is neither legitimate nor glorifying
to God to take as one's teacher on so important a subject as this
without critical analysis. We have not done this.
The title of my blog "A Star Trek Blog-ology" is a means to illicit an
emotional attraction to what I have concluded to be nothing less than a
Sci Fi fantasy of the resurrection. The threat that the Borg made to all
those that they encountered was "Resistance is futile. We will absorb
your individual personalities into our collective"."
"The corporate body view of the resurrection is wrong."
On the doctrines of Hyper Preterism:
"It’s the modern day
version of the Sibylline Oracle."
who made it clear back in '04 in print in one of my books, that I am not
a FP, I have nothing to "come out from", as I have never since then
espoused any type of a FP view, as it must of necessity contradict many
scriptures that state an on-going nature to the things stated past AD
70, as well as the "resurrection issue" with CBV."
which I also see as “full” preterism"
years I have tried to work from “within” in order to safeguard against
where some factions within this movement are now headed. Some here on
this site who have been engaging them, I believe, are right to do so. I
believe i have unmasked some of the problems along with those within who
have formally come out and admitted that FP or HP cannot co-exist within
reformed theology. This has been so direct and prevelent as of late,
that there should be no squirming away from it by them.
come to the conclusion that it is correct at this juncture, to continue
to draw the line as to what is and is not tolerable within the FP camp.
I see no working definable difference between hyper and full preteism.
The things I have stated here as to “problems” within the movement, are
just the beginning. Cult-like tendencies of theological manipulation
have begun to evidence themselves more and more from within.
Consequently, I am more and more delimited as to the actual affiliations
i can maintain in the formal sense."
we all have/will (in our futures), experience the event of the parousia
together. I hold to the experience of this event as a future event."
California native, Dr. Kelly Nelson Birks was born in Downey, California
in 1957 and grew up in the quiet suburb of Montebello, located in Los
Angeles County. Growing up in the Christian Church (Disciples of
Christ), he was regenerated at about 10 years of age and water baptized
at about the same time. After graduation from high school, a fact that
still amazes him, Dr. Birks spent some time studying at East Los Angeles
Junior College. A suggestion from his pastor was what sent him off to
Bible College. He graduated with a bachelorï¿½s degree in pastoral
theology from L.I.F.E. Bible College in Los Angeles. Several years as a
Pastor in both the assistant and senior levels followed.
moving to Denver, Colorado, Dr. Birks received a call from the
Evangelical Friends Church in Omaha, NE to come and pastor. Over the
years that followed, Dr. Birks earned a Th.M (Master of Theology) in
Biblical studies, a D.Min. and a Ph.D in Biblical studies.
the years, Dr. Birks has had much interdenominational experience in
Charismatic, Pentecostal and conservative circles. He was originally
ordained into the ministry under the International Church of the
Foursquare Gospel. He subsequently served in Pentecostal, Charismatic,
Quaker and independent churches.
As a result
of his coming into the truths of the reformed faith and later the
preterist understanding of Biblical eschatology, he now serves as Pastor
of Messiah Reformed Church in Omaha, NE, where he and his wife, Kari
make their home. Dr. and Mrs. Birks' CD and book ministry extends across
the country and abroad.
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