God, The Judge of
By Nathan DuBois
Preterism vs. Idealism - Part One : Introduction
Part Two - Full Preterism's Achilles Heel
Part Three - Full Preterism's "New" Gospel
Full Preterism vs. Idealism: Part Four : Full
Preterism's Single Dimension Focus
My Thoughts and
Understanding of Preterist Idealism
God, The Judge of the Heart
Why I Needed to Repent: A Letter to a
Friend... Among Friends |
The Nature of the Christ: The Dilema of Chronology |
Scripture Interprets Scripture: Part One - The Covenants, The Jerusalems,
The Flesh and The Spirit |
Response to "Expectations Demand a Rapture"
How can God judge the world with an event like AD 70?
It is said that the hidden things would be judged, the inner thoughts would
be judged, the world would be judged. How is this possible through the
destruction of a temple? And more importantly, how can we, beyond the "end
times" (supposedly), be judged according to that judgment which came at the
I had a previous assumption; that chronologically every man living or dead
or yet to be born was judged in AD 70, and that judgment was applied at that
time forever. I believed that the effects of that judgment were felt
throughout time. This was an easy answer to satisfy my purely chronological
view of events of both the earthly and heavenly things.
My question now is, how is that judgment carried out by the destruction of a
temple, especially when the names of the righteous were already written in
the book of life from the foundation?
For whom was this judgment?
Did God make this judgment in AD 70 because He needed to scrub His book and
make a decision?
Had not God's will already judged that Abraham and David and such WERE
It is only for OUR purposes that we are judged!
It is the revealing of the truth to our hearts and by
that, we are condemned or made righteous. That judgment takes place in the
In AD 70, a Jew may not have been in Jerusalem, or put to death by the
Romans, to have been judged by Christ in His appearance. All a Jew had to
see was the vindication of Christ. All he had to know in his heart was that
he was on the wrong side of the temple. That his law and his covenant were
meaningless because they were fulfilled by Christ whom he had rejected.
Judgment came to the world, because all are judged by the gospel and their
response to it. It is the SAME WAY that men are judged today. There is no
difference, and it continues.
1Co 4:5 - Therefore
don't judge anything prematurely, before the Lord comes, who
will both bring to light what is hidden in darkness and reveal the
intentions of the hearts. And then praise will come to each one
John 7:24 - Stop judging
according to outward appearances; rather judge according to righteous
This is the only possible way for all men to be judged or to have been
judged at that time, both the living and the dead.
The gospel is living, it is active. Today men are judged righteous or
unrighteous by being "in Christ" or not. Judgment accompanied the
kingdom because it was at the "revelation of Christ" in AD 70, to the world,
that men were judged by the gospel vs. the law. The law had been given to
the Jew, and until Christ, it had been made known that the Jew would be
judged by the law. But Christ came, fulfilling the law, and revealed that it
was by the heart of men that we are judged. Though a Jew might have followed
the letter of the law externally, his heart had broken that same law. This
is all over Matthew 5-7. So until Christ was revealed in glory in AD 70 to
the world as the true messiah, even to the unbelieving Jew, that law "stood
in the way." The Jewish system had to be destroyed in order for those whose
hearts were hardened to see that Christ was the true Messiah, that it was by
their response to the gospel in their hearts that they have been condemned
or made righteous. The revelation of Christ in His kingdom brought that very
judgment to the world.
The issue here is do we limit that judgment to an AD 70 timeline? Or is that
same judgment every bit as active and ongoing today as ever?
Can we not say that the judgment was occurring before it
Does it matter that it had not been revealed to the whole
world yet if God was still judging Abraham by the response to God in His
heart? Or David having a heart after God's own heart?
God did not change the way man was judged in AD 70, man had always been
judged by the heart. It just had not been revealed to us through the gospel
until Christ came and completed His work, which was the revelation of God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and
the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning
with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing
was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the
light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the
darkness did not comprehend it.
The purpose and work of Christ was revelation. The revelation of God through
Christ brought judgment, in His revelation came salvation. Christ was God,
performing a mission of God, that mission was to reveal God to man.
Judgment, the cross, the resurrection, was just an aspect of that
John 6:29 Jesus answered
and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom
He sent." 30 Therefore they said to Him, "What sign will You perform
then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do? 31 Our
fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, 'He gave them
bread from heaven to eat.' " F23 32 Then Jesus said to them, "Most
assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven,
but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of
God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world." 34
Then they said to Him, "Lord, give us this bread always." 35 And Jesus
said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never
hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to
you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father
gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means
cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will,
but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the
Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing,
but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him
who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have
everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am
the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except
through Me. 7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also;
and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." 8 Philip said to Him,
"Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." 9 Jesus said to
him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known
Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say,
'Show us the Father'? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and
the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own
authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me
that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe
Me for the sake of the works themselves.
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Many thanks Nate. You are clearly not dismissing the
temple judgment, despite the continual charges of ignoring the outward to
see the inward.
You are not dismissing the natural show, but rather illuminating it; you are
allowing the temple to stand (and fall) for that which it was always
intended - a visible show of invisible things.
To do otherwise is to risk giving greater glory to the shadow than is due..
neglecting to properly glorify the substance to which it ministers.
To me, that seems akin to the account in Revelation 19:10:
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said
unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren
that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is
the spirit of prophecy.