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Tommy Ice: Ezekiel 38 & 39 "As I have thought more critically about literal interpretation and this passage while doing this series, I have come to disagree with a statement made by Mark Hitchcock and I where we said: "Ezekiel spoke in language that the people of his day could understand. If he had spoken of MIG-29s, laser-fired missiles, tanks, and assault rifles, this text would have been nonsensical to everyone until the twentieth century."[10] Instead, I have come to agree with DeMar who says: "A lot has to be read into the Bible in order to make Ezekiel 38 and 39 fit modern-day military realities that include jet planes, 'missiles,' and 'atomic and explosive' weaponry."[11] Even though I think DeMar is right on this one point, it does not mean that his conclusion is correct."
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The Fatal Mistakes of Preterism By Dr. Mal Couch Preterism is flawed with a long list of hermeneutical and theological errors:
So while Preterists think they have beaten the liberal critics with their allegorical view to prophecy, they have actually fallen into the hands of the enemy. Preterism is ReactionaryJohn Noē (Dead in Their Tracks) says that American churches "have fallen victim to the liberal/skeptical attack on the Bible" (p. 1), and they threw away their conservative faith when the liberals attacked the conservative churches at their weakest point, i.e., that is, concerning the belief of Christ's literal Second Coming. This is similar to the argument R. C. Sproul makes in his book, The Last Days According to Jesus. There is some missing in this picture. Noē goes on and quotes Bertrand Russell, Albert Schweitzer, Jewish skeptics, Muslim, and even C.S. Lewis, who said that Jesus "was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the end of the world than anyone else." Noē confesses "we are embarrassed" that the Lord did not return when He was supposed to. Noē then adds, "Do you hear what these critics and even C.S. Lewis are saying? They are saying Jesus was literally wrong when he made numerous time-restrictive predictions and statements regarding his coming, his return." In other words, according to Noe and Sproul, we now must do Systematic Theology, and adjust our hermeneutics away from the historical and biblical teaching of the Scriptures of a literal return of Christ, to shut the mouths of the critics. We must adopt an allegorical approach to future issues so that the critical liberals will not attack us. Pagans are driving the hermeneutic motivation and methodology. Those who know the Bible teaches a literal, historic, and earthly return of Christ do not have to adjust their theology to prove anything to the critics. Those who understand that the basic hermeneutic of the Bible is in normal interpretation can steer the ship straight and do not have to go off course to please the world, as Noē and Sproul do. Preterism is based on Allegorical InterpretationIt is suggested to all preterists that they read again the classic volume on allegorical interpretation, Protestant Biblical Interpretation, by Bernard Ramm. Allegorical interpretation believes that beneath the letter (rhete) or the obvious (phanera) is the real meaning (hyponoia) of the passage. Allegory is defined by some as an extended metaphor. If we presume that the document has a secret meaning (hyponoia) and there are no cues concerning the hidden meaning interpretation is difficult. … We are on very uncertain grounds. (p. 24) Ramm continues and explains that the Greeks had a religious heritage in Homer and the writings of Hesiod, but the population was turning away from these works and becoming more irreligious or atheistic. To solve the problem the story of the gods "were not to be taken literally. Rather underneath [in the religious writings] is the secret meaning (hyponoia). (p. 25) This is almost exactly what John Noe advocates. As the Greeks did with their sacred writings, Christians must adjust the message of Scripture to please the world. Ramm writes about "one of the strange fates of history. The allegorical method arose to save the reputation of ancient Greek religious poets" (p. 26) The Alexandrian, North African Jews "were so impressed that they accepted the teachings of Greek philosophy." (Ibid.) Greek allegory traveled from Philo (20-54 AD), to Origen (cira. 250), through whom "it was bequeathed to the Christian Church." (Ibid.) In regard to the Second Coming of Christ, John Noē wants the church to return to pagan Greek interpretation. Ramm writes,
Ramm continues and quotes K. Fullerton who writes, When the historical sense of a passage is once abandoned there is wanting any sound regulative principle to govern exegesis. … The mystical [allegorical] method of exegesis, is an unscientific and arbitrary method, reduces the Bible to obscure enigmas, undermines the authority of all interpretation. (p. 31) Preterism is but a few steps away from liberalismWhile many Preterists are not liberal in their overall theology, this movement leads to liberalism. If all the language of Scripture pertaining to the Second Coming of Christ is not to be taken historically and in a normal sense, then why not take the virgin birth of Christ, for example, or other miracles in a "spiritualized" way, as the Preterists do in reference to prophecy? Preterism opens the door for similar liberal departure. This is not true of classical premillennialism that argues, from Genesis to Revelation, the Bible must be understood in its normal meaning and in its plain sense. Premillennialists are thus consistent. But Preterists must sweep all of the Second Coming passages with a broad broom that forever gets rid of any future, historic, and objective return of Christ. Once common sense interpretation has been abandoned, there is rarely a turning back. Preterists ignore certain obvious and clear statements in Matthew 24-25The Olivet Discourse (found also in Mark and Luke) cannot be ignored and swept under the rug in an allegorical, non-literal way. But this is exactly what the Preterists do with the words of Christ in regard to His earthly return. Yet, there are too many verses that make it clear that the Lord Jesus will be visually seen with the eyes on the day that He comes back. On this issue, Noe becomes terribly inconsistent. For example he would probably say the destruction of the temple, the abomination of desolation (Mt. 24:15) in 70 AD, was certainly seen ("when you see the abomination …"), but he would then argue that Christ's coming as the Son of Man was not actually seen but simply a spiritual coming not observed with the physical eye. [It can be historically proven that the "Abomination of Desolation" has to do with a far future event yet coming, and not with the destruction of the temple in 70 AD.] But what is the evidence that Christ's return would be visually seen? And will He actually sit on a throne in which the all the nations will be gathered before Him? Compare the following:
Important from the Greek text:
The Gospels continue:
Preterism goes against the views of the witness of the very early churchIt was not until the time of Origen (circa. 250 AD) that the church began progressively turning amillennial. But before, the church was clearly premillennial. Could the early church have agreed with today's Preterists? The answer is a loud NO. Coming along after the time of the apostle John (90-95 AD), the earliest Fathers (1) were looking for an earthly return of Jesus, (2) were looking for an earthly kingdom reign, (3) were taking the prophecies of the Second Coming literally, (4) and did not associate that future kingdom with the church, the two were separate. One of the most well know experts on prophecy, LeRoy Edwin Froom, writes, "The early church was distinctly premillennialist in her cherished expectations of Christ's Second Coming advent. His coming and kingdom were her constant hope. The Apostolic Fathers anticipated a future kingdom." (The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Vol. 1, 207) The Epistle of Clement (95 AD) says "Of a truth, soon and suddenly shall His will be accomplished, as the Scripture also bears witness, saying, 'Speedily will He come, and will not tarry;' and 'The Lord shall suddenly come to His temple, even the Holy One, for whom ye look.'" (p. 208) In the Second Epistle we read, "Let us then wait for the kingdom of God, from hour to hour, … seeing that we know not the day of the appearing of God." (Ibid.) Eusebius quotes Papias as saying "that there will be a millennium after the resurrection from the dead, when the personal reign of Christ will be established on earth." (p. 216). Justin Martyr wrote "For He shall come on the clouds as the Son of Man, so Daniel foretold, and His angels shall come with Him." (p. 232) He added,
Irenaeus further stated:
Froom writes there was an "increasing departure that finally took form in the general apostasy of the [early] church, which eventually turned her eyes from the future advent hope and caused her to set herself up [as a substitute] as the millennial kingdom of God on earth." (p. 252) Amillennialism replaced premillennialism. Preterism: Now you see it, now you don'tPreterism is actually 180 degrees opposite of what it claims to be. John Noe says futurists practice "literary gymnastics," when in reality, that is what he does. By hocus-pocus, the Second Coming of Christ is no longer literal, it's spiritualized, and you can't actually see it happening. Who is practicing "literary gymnastics"? 1. Noe says, "the only solution to the problem of non-occurrence is occurrence". (p. 59) To Noe,
2. Now in all fairness to Noe, he does write that Christ did return. He says, "Jesus did return, bodily and literally, just as and when He said He would. He no longer is departed. He is here with us." (p. 60) Now Noe mixes literal prophetic truth with the spiritual reality of Christ's spiritual presence. But the bodily return of Jesus will be seen by all the tribes of earth with their physical eyes, and He will reign physically on His glorious throne. Meanwhile, He is certainly here in spirit, but this is not the Second Coming. The final chapter of Noe's book is written by Dr. James Craig, a pastor in Indianapolis. He accuses futurists of expounding an eschatology of despair, of doom and gloom. Again, smoke and mirrors. Futurists are the most positive people about the final outcome of world history. The world, as the early church Fathers taught, will go into a period of terrible tribulation, but then the Second Coming in which Jesus Christ will vanquish evil and establish His kingdom. Sounds pretty positive to me. The final accusation against futurist Premillennialists is that they just sit back and couldn't care less about evangelism. Again, just the opposite is true. During the last century, almost all the major evangelical seminaries and Bible institutes were Premillennial, and they were training the majority of missionaries going throughout the world with the Gospel. The Scofield Reference Bible had far greater impact on teaching and winning the average man to Christ than can be imagined. To label futurists as isolationists or disinterested in evangelism is just plain poor understanding of church history. --Mal Couch, President Tyndale Seminary Send an email with your comments to todd @ preteristarchive.com Be sure to include the article name. They will be posted shortly upon receipt |
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