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Luke 21:22
"For these be the day of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled."
R.T. France (2000)
"Jesus' belief that part of his work as predicted in the Old Testament was
to be judgment is summed up in his words concerning the coming destruction
of Jerusalem, 'These are the days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is
written' (Luke 21:22). The Old Testament contains many threats of
judgment on God's rebellious people, and especially on Jerusalem, and now,
with the coming of Jesus, the day of vengeance has arrived.
In the words of Luke 21:22 the primary reference is
probably not so much to unfulfilled predictions in the Old Testament as to
those great judgments both predicted and accomplished on Israel and other
nations, which Jesus saw as types of the coming judgment on Jerusalem.
But there are at least two predictions of judgment which Jesus applied to
the fall of Jerusalem, which their context shows to have been intended to
refer not to a specific historical event, but to an eschatological judgment.
In using these predictions Jesus implies that the coming disaster will not
only be like, or even greater than, those which occurred in Old Testament
times ; it will be the final judgment on the Jewish nation, that decisive
act of God which will put an end to the present order, and usher in a new
era of blessing for the new people of God." (Jesus and the Old
Testament: His Application of Old Testament Passages, p. 89)
John Gill
"For these be the days of vengeance…
Of God's vengeance on the Jewish nation, for
their rejection and crucifixion of the Messiah;
that all things which are
written may be fulfilled; as in Moses and the prophets; see
(Deuteronomy 28:20-68) (Deuteronomy 32:22-26) (Isaiah 6:10,11,12)
(Daniel 9:26,27) "
J,F&B
(context) "20, 21. by armies--encamped armies, that is,
besieged: "the abomination of desolation" (meaning the Roman ensigns, as
the symbols of an idolatrous, pagan, unclean power) "spoken of by Daniel
the prophet" (Daniel
9:27) "standing where it ought not" (Mark
13:14). "Whoso readeth [that prophecy] let him understand" (Matthew
24:15).
Then . . . flee, &c.--EUSEBIUS says the Christians fled to
Pella, at the north extremity of Perea, being "prophetically
directed"; perhaps by some prophetic intimation still more explicit than
this, which still would be their chart."
Matthew Henry
"III. He foretels the terrible havoc that should be made of the Jewish
nation (v. 22): Those are the days of vengeance so often spoken
of by the Old-Testament prophets, which would complete the ruin of that
provoking people. All their predictions must now be fulfilled, and the
blood of all the Old-Testament martyrs must now be required. All
things that are written must be fulfilled at length. After days of
patience long abused, there will come days of vengeance; for
reprieves are not pardons. The greatness of that destruction is set
forth, 1. By the inflicting cause of it. It is wrath upon this
people, the wrath of God, that will kindle this devouring consuming
fire. 2. By the particular terror it would be to women with child, and
poor mothers that are nurses. Woe to them, not only because they
are most subject to frights, and least able to shift for their own
safety, but because it will be a very great torment to them to think of
having borne and nursed children for the murderers. 3. By the general
confusion that should be all the nation over. There shall be great
distress in the land, for men will not know what course to take, nor
how to help themselves. IV. He describes the issue of the struggles
between the Jews and the Romans, and what they will come to at last; in
short, 1. Multitudes of them shall fall by the edge of the sword.
It is computed that in those wars of the Jews there fell by the sword
above eleven hundred thousand. And the siege of Jerusalem was, in
effect, a military execution. 2. The rest shall be led away captive;
not into one nations, as when they were conquered by the
Chaldeans, which gave them an opportunity of keeping together, but into all nations, which made it impossible for them to
correspond
with each other, much less to incorporate. 3. Jerusalem itself
was trodden down of the Gentiles. The Romans, when they had made
themselves masters of it, laid it quite waste, as a rebellious and
bad city, hurtful to kings and provinces, and therefore hateful to
them. V. He describes the great frights that people should generally be
in. Many frightful sights shall be in the sun, moon, and
stars, prodigies in the heavens, and here in this lower world, the
sea and the waves roaring, with terrible storms and tempests,
such as had not been known, and above the ordinary working of natural
causes. The effect of this shall be universal confusion and
consternation upon the earth, distress of nations with perplexity,
v. 25. Dr. Hammond understands by the nations the several
governments or tetrarchies of the Jewish nation, Judea, Samaria, and
Galilee; these shall be brought to the last extremity. Men’s hearts
shall fail them for fear (v. 26), apopsychonton anthropon —
men being quite exanimated, dispirited, unsouled, dying
away for fear. Thus those are killed all the day long by whom
Christ’s apostles were so (Rom. 8:36), that is, they are all the day
long in fear of being killed; sinking under that which lies upon them,
and yet still trembling for fear of worse, and looking after those
things which are coming upon the world. When judgment begins at
the house of God, it will not end there; it shall be as if all the
world were falling in pieces; and where can any be secure then? The powers of heaven shall be shaken, and then the pillars of the earth
cannot but tremble. Thus shall the present Jewish policy, religion,
laws, and government, be all entirely dissolved by a series of
unparalleled calamities, attended with the utmost confusion. So Dr.
Clarke. But our Saviour makes use of these figurative expressions
because at the end of time they shall be literally accomplished, when
the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll, and all their
powers not only shaken, but broken, and the earth and all the
works that are therein shall be burnt up, 2. Pet. 3:10, 12. As that
day was all terror and destruction to the unbelieving Jews, so the great
day will be to all unbelievers. VI. He makes this to be a kind of appearing of the Son of man: Then shall they see the Son of man coming
in a cloud, with power and great glory, v. 27. The destruction of
Jerusalem was in a particular manner an act of Christ’s judgment, the
judgment committed to the Son of man; his religion could never be
thoroughly established but by the destruction of the temple, and the
abolishing of the Levitical priesthood and economy, after which even the
converted Jews, and many of the Gentiles too, were still hankering, till
they were destroyed; so that it might justly be looked upon as a
coming of the Son of man, in power and great glory, yet not visibly,
but in the clouds; for in executing such judgments as these clouds and darkness are round about him. Now this was, 1. An
evidence of the first coming of the Messiah; so some understand it.
Then the unbelieving Jews shall be confined, when it is too late, that
Jesus was the Messiah; those that would not see him coming in the power
of his grace to save them shall be made to see him coming in the
power of his wrath to destroy them; those that would not have him
to reign over them shall have him to triumph over them. 2.
It was an earnest of his second coming. Then in the
terrors of that day they shall see the Son of man coming in a cloud,
and all the terrors of the last day. They shall see a specimen of
it, a faint resemblance of it. If this be so terrible, what will that
be? VII. He encourages all the faithful disciples in reference to the
terrors of that day (v. 28): "When these things begin to come to
pass, when Jerusalem is besieged, and every thing is concurring to
the destruction of the Jews, then do you look up, when
others are looking down, look heavenward, in faith, hope, and prayer,
and lift up your heads with cheerfulness and confidence, for
your redemption draws night.’’ 1. When Christ came to destroy the
Jews, he came to redeem the Christians that were persecuted and
oppressed by them; then had the churches rest. 2. When he comes
to judge the world at the last day, he will redeem all that are
his, from all their grievances. And the foresight of that day is as
pleasant to all good Christians as it is terrible to the wicked and
ungodly. Their death itself is so; when they see that day approaching,
they can lift up their heads with joy, knowing that their
redemption draws nigh, their removal to their Redeemer. VIII. Here
is one word of prediction that looks further than the destruction of the
Jewish nation, which is not easily understood; we have it in v. 24: Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, till the times of the
Gentiles be fulfilled. 1. Some understand it of what is past; so Dr.
Hammond. The Gentiles, who have conquered Jerusalem, shall keep
possession of it, and it shall be purely Gentile, till the times of the
Gentiles be fulfilled, till a great part of the Gentile world shall have
become Christian, and then after Jerusalem shall have been rebuilt by
Adrian the emperor, with an exclusion of all the Jews from it, many of
the Jews shall turn Christians, shall join with the Gentile Christians,
to set up a church in Jerusalem, which shall flourish there for a long
time. 2. Others understand it of what is yet to come; so Dr. Whitby.
Jerusalem shall be possessed by the Gentiles, of one sort or other, for
the most part, till the time come when the nations that yet remain
infidels shall embrace the Christian faith, when the kingdoms of this
world shall become Christ’s kingdoms, and then all the Jews shall be
converted. Jerusalem shall be inhabited by them, and neither they nor
their city any longer trodden down by the Gentiles.
Verses 29-38 Here, in the close of this discourse, I. Christ
appoints his disciples to observe the signs of the times, which they
might judge by, if they had an eye to the foregoing directions, with as
much certainty and assurance as they could judge of the approach of
summer by the budding forth of the trees, v. 29–31. As in the kingdom of
nature there is a chain of causes, so in the kingdom of providence there
is a consequence of one event upon another. When we see a nation filling
up the measure of their iniquity, we may conclude that their ruin is
nigh; when we see the ruin of persecuting powers hastening on, we may
thence infer that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand, that when
the opposition given to it is removed it shall gain ground. As we may
lawfully prognosticate the change of the seasons when second causes have
begun to work, so we may, in the disposal of events, expect something
uncommon when God is already raised up out of his holy habitation
(Zec. 2:13); then stand still and see his salvation. II. He
charges them to look upon those things as neither doubtful nor distant (for then they would not make a due impression on them), but
as sure and very near. The destruction of the Jewish
nation, 1. Was near (v. 32): This generation shall not pass
away till all be fulfilled. There were some now alive that should
see it; some that now heard the prediction of it"
Philip Mauro
"In foretelling those coming "days of vengeance," in which "all things
that were written" were to "be fulfilled" (Luke 21:22), Christ gave His
disciples a sign whereby they should know that the predicted
days of vengeance were come, so that they might save themselves by
flight; the sign being the encircling of Jerusalem with armies (v. 20). And then, in order to impress the lesson upon their minds, He
spake a parable concerning the fig tree and all the trees, and said: "So
likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the
Kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This
generation shall not pass till all be fulfilled" (vv. 31, 32). Thus
we have Christ's own statement to the effect that the destruction of
Jerusalem and the scattering of the nation was a coming of the
Kingdom of God. And this He again coupled with the affirmation that
his prediction would be fulfilled before the passing of that
generation.
In studying the three accounts of our Lord's Olivet prophecy, the
student should observe that the period designated in Luke's account "the days of vengeance,"
wherein there should be "great distress in
the land, and wrath upon this people," is the same period that Mark
designates "the days of affliction, such as was not from the
beginning of the creation . . . unto this time" (Mark
13:19) and that is designated by Matthew the "great tribulation,
such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time" (Mat. 24:21). The context of the several passages make it certain that
one and the same period of unprecedented calamity is referred to in the
three passages.
Comparison should be made also with Daniel's prophecy. "And there
shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation:
and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be
found written in the book" (Dan. 12:1). The close similarity
between the language of this prophecy and that of our Lord's Olivet
prophecy gives assurance that both refer to the same event. The words of
the angel to Daniel refer expressly to the Jewish nation ("the
children of thy people"). Those who were to be delivered in that
time of unparalleled distress--those "found written in the book"--were,
of course, the disciples of Christ, who took warning by their Lord's
utterance, and fled for their lives when they saw His predicted sign.
Happy for them they did not have some of our modern expounders of
prophecy to instruct them as to the meaning of this prediction.
And particularly it should be observed, as fully confirming what is
said above touching both the place, and also the time of that season of distress and tribulation, wherein all the prophecies
of "wrath upon this people" were to be fulfilled, that the locality
is expressly limited to JUDEA (Mat. 24:16), and that the time
is expressly limited to THE GENERATION THEN LIVING (id. 34)." (Gospel
of the Kingdom)
Adam Clarke
"St. Luke, Luke 21:22, calls these the days of
vengeance, that all things which were written might be fulfilled.
1. These were the days in which all the calamities
predicted by Moses, Joel, Daniel, and other prophets, as well as those
predicted by our Savior, met in one common center, and were fulfilled in
the most terrible manner on that generation.
2. These were the days of vengeance in another sense,
as if God’s judgments had certain periods and revolutions; for it is
remarkable that the temple was burned by the Romans in the same month,
and on the same day of the month, on which it had been burned by the
Babylonians. See Josephus, WAR, b. vi. c. 4." (Matthew
24)
Duncan McKenzie
"Full preterists maintain that the "all things" referred to
here means that all the prophecy in the Bible was fulfilled by AD 70.
While I have a great deal of agreement with full preterists, I disagree
with their interpretation here. Let me emphasize, however, that I am in
total agreement with my full preterist brothers and sisters that the
Second Coming of Jesus happened at AD 70.
My short answer to the question of what Luke 21:22 means is that it
is saying all things written about the days of vengeance that would come
upon the Jews when they violated the covenant would be fulfilled by AD
70. It is not saying that all prophecy in the Bible would be fulfilled
by AD 70." (Was
all the prophecy in the Bible fulfilled in AD70?)
John Darby
"The Lord's discourse in chapter 21 displays the character of
the Gospel in a peculiar manner. The spirit of grace, in contrast with
the Judaic spirit, is seen in the account of the poor widow's offering.
But the Lord's prophecy requires more detailed notice. Verse 6, as we
saw at the end of chapter 19, speaks only of the destruction of
Jerusalem as she then stood. This is true also of the disciples'
question. They say nothing of the end of the age. The Lord afterwards
enters upon the duties and the circumstances of His disciples previous
to that hour. In verse 8 it is said, "The time draweth near," which is
not found in Matthew. He goes much more into detail with regard to their
ministry during that period, encourages them, promises them necessary
help. Persecution should turn to them for a testimony. From the middle
of verse 11 to the end of verse 19 we have details relative to His
disciples, that are not found in the corresponding passage of Matthew.
They present the general state of things in the same sense, adding the
condition of the Jews, of those especially who, more or less,
professedly received the word. The whole stream of testimony, as
rendered in connection with Israel, but extending to the nations, is
found in Matthew to the end of verse 14. In Luke it is the coming
service of the disciples, until the moment when the judgment of God
should put an end to that which was virtually terminated by the
rejection of Christ. Consequently the Lord says nothing in verse 20 of
the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel, but gives the fact of
the siege of Jerusalem, and its then approaching desolation-not the end
of the age, as in Matthew. These were the days of vengeance on the Jews,
who had crowned their rebellion by rejecting the Lord. Therefore
Jerusalem should be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the
Gentiles were fulfilled, that is, the times destined to the sovereignty
of the Gentile empires according to the counsel of God revealed in the
prophecies of Daniel. This is the period in which we now live. There is
a break here in the discourse. Its principal subject is ended; but there
are still some events of the last scene to be revealed, which close the
history of this Gentile supremacy. "
King James: "For these be the day of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled."
Jerusalem Bible: "For this is the time of vengeance when all that scriptures says must be fulfilled."
Today's English Version: "For these are 'The Days of Punishment,' to make come true all that the scriptures say."
Philips Modern English:
"For these are the days of vengeance. when all that the scriptures have said will come true."
New English Bible: "because this is the time of retribution, when all that stands written is to be fulfilled."
Revised Standard Version: "for these are the days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written."
Bible in Basic English:
For these are the days of punishment, in which all the things in the Writings will be put into effect.
| Matthew 24 |
Luke 21 |
| 1. Jesus left the temple and was walking away
when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its
buildings. |
5. Some of his disciples were remarking about how
the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts
dedicated to God. But Jesus said, |
| 2. "Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the
truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be
thrown down." |
6. "As for what you see here, the time will come when not one
stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown
down." |
| 3. As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples
came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen,
and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age
?" |
7. "Teacher," they asked, "when will these things happen? And
what will be the sign that they are about to take place?" |
| 4. Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. |
8. He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. |
| 5. For many will come in my name, claiming, `I am the Christ, '
and will deceive many. |
For many will come in my name, claiming, `I am he,' and, `The
time is near.' Do not follow them. |
| 6. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that
you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still
to come. |
9. When you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be frightened.
These things must happen first, but the end will not come right
away." |
| 7. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom
against kingdom. |
10. Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and
kingdom against kingdom. |
| There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. |
11. There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in
various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven. |
| 8. All these are the beginning of birth pains. |
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12. "But before all this, they will lay hands on
you and persecute you. They will deliver you to synagogues and
prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all
on account of my name. |
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13. This will result in your being witnesses to them. |
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14. But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will
defend yourselves. |
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15. For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your
adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. |
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16. You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives
and friends, and they will put some of you to death. |
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17. All men will hate you because of me. |
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18. But not a hair of your head will perish. |
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19. By standing firm you will gain life. |
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20. "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you
will know that its desolation is near. |
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21. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let
those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter
the city. |
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22. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all
that has been written. |
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23. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women
and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and
wrath against this people. |
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24. They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners
to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles .
. . |
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. . . until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. |
| 9. "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to
death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. |
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| 10. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will
betray and hate each other, |
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| 11. and many false prophets will appear and deceive many
people. |
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| 12. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most
will grow cold, |
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| 13. but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. |
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| 14. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the
whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will
come. |
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| 15. "So when you see standing in the holy place `the
abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet
Daniel - let the reader understand |
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| 16. then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. |
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| 17. Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take
anything out of the house. |
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| 18. Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. |
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| 19. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women
and nursing mothers! |
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| 20. Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on
the Sabbath. |
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| 21. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the
beginning of the world until now, and never to be equaled again.
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| 22. If those days had not been cut short, no one
would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be
shortened. |
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| 23. At that time if anyone says to you, `Look, here is the
Christ!' or, `There he is!' do not believe it. |
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| 24. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and
perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect, if that
were possible. |
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| 25. See, I have told you ahead of time. |
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| 26. "So if anyone tells you, `There he is, out in the desert,'
do not go out; or, `Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe
it. |
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| 27. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even
in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. |
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| 28. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will
gather. |
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| 29. "Immediately after the distress of those days "`the sun
will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars
will fall from the sky, |
25. "There will be signs in the sun, moon and
stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at
the roaring and tossing of the sea. |
| and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' |
26. Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming
on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. |
| 30. "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the
sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the
Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great
glory. |
27. At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud
with power and great glory. |
| 31. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and
they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the
heavens to the other. |
28. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up
your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." |
| 32. "Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: |
29. He told them this parable: "Look at the fig
tree and all the trees. |
| As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you
know that summer is near. |
30. When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and
know that summer is near. |
| 33. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is
near, right at the door. |
31. Even so, when you see these things happening, you know
that the kingdom of God is near. |
| 34. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not
pass away until all these things have happened. |
32. "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not
pass away until all these things have happened. |
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33. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never
pass away. |
| 36. "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels
in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. |
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| 37. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at
the coming of the Son of Man. |
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| 38. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and
drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah
entered the ark; |
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| 39. and they knew nothing about what would happen until the
flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the
coming of the Son of Man. |
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| 40. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the
other left. |
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| 41. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be
taken and the other left. |
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| 42. "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day
your Lord will come. |
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| 42. "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day
your Lord will come. |
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| 43. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at
what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch
and would not have let his house be broken into. |
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| 44. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come
at an hour when you do not expect him. |
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| 45. "Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master
has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them
their food at the proper time? |
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| 46. It will be good for that servant whose master finds him
doing so when he returns. |
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| 47. I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his
possessions. |
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| 48. But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, `My
master is staying away a long time,' |
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| 49. and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat
and drink with drunkards. |
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| 50. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does
not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. |
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| 51. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the
hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. |
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Date:
31 Oct 2003
Time:
11:24:59
Comments
English Standard Version reads: "for these be the days of vengence, to fulfill all that is written." Thank you for the great website and study helps. RW San Diego, CA
Date:
30 Jan 2005
Time:
05:07:55
Comments
trying to solve the "number of the beast" by adding up the letters in someone's name may not be the correct way. "The number of his name" may have a totally different meaning. Read www.biblebits.com/666.htm C.P.M. North Carolina
Date: 12 Dec 2005
Time: 18:21:45
Comments:
Luke 21:22 is the completion of the prophetic reading which Jesus began
in Luke 4:18
v18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to
preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the
brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of
sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
v19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
v20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and
sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were
fastened on him.
v21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled
in your ears.
Jesus stopped in the middle of Isaiah's prophecy, and didn't mention the
"Day of the vengeance of our God." That was a logical place to stop
reading. It would not have been appropriate to mention God's judgments
for rejecting the offer of the kingdom before the nation had actually
done the deed.
But by Luke chapter 21, the rejection was complete, and it was time to
read the rest of Isaiah's prophecy, pronouncing judgment on the wicked
unbelievers of Israel.
Futurists somehow miss the connection between Luke 4 and Luke 21,
believing that the last part of Isaiah's prophecy will be completed in
some future "tribulation." I beieve that is a mistake. The days of God's
vengeance came in AD70.
Mac
www.tribulationhoax.com
Date: 16 Apr 2006
Time: 14:08:17
Comments:
Its is a dispensational misnomer that Israel rejected the offer of the
Kingdom.
1. Multitudes followed Christ.
2. The Church is Built upon The Jewish(Israel) Disciples(Apostles) of
Christ.
3. The Followers of Christ fled when the Romans Legions entered Judea , thus
ensuring the survival of the infant true Isreali/Jewish Church
4. The Gentiles (wild olive tree) were engrafted into Israel (the Olive
tree)
5. The true Israel Survived the tribulation and the Apocalypse and is
manifest wherever Christians meet.
6. The fig tree(symbol of the Kingdom of Israel-the Church) budding was the
growth of the Infant Church following its persecution by Nero, who saw to
his own demise. The disciples and followers of Christ would see the fruit of
their Labour by the effectiveness of the Holy Spirit ensuring the growth of
the church replacing the cursed tree that bore no fruit.
7. The modern state of Israel is a secular state not a Kingdom, whereas the
Church is the Kingdom of God/Heaven and a Son of Israel(the Son of Man), the
seed of David rules and reigns over it.
Those who rejected Christ were the blind status quo whose followers saw
their demise in God's Final Judgement upon the then Kingdom(The cursed fig
tree) in the possesion of a descendant of the hated Esau. Herod's usurping
dynasty saw its demise. The curse of the Law had run its full course and was
fulfilled.
The gap theory in the seventy weeks of Daniel is a figment of human
imagination, and so is the so called stopping of God's clock because the
apostates did not even believe their own scriptures. Without faith it is
impossible to please God.
If Mathew 24 is still to be fulfilled as they imagine it to be , then they
serve a fallible Saviour.
Mat 24:34 Verily (Christs oath) I say unto you(the disciples listening to
him) This Generation (those alive AD30) will not pass(some would witness it
before they died) till all these things(everything in Mat Chapters 23-24) be
fulfilled.
D.H.Hume R.S.A
Date: 03 Aug 2006
Time: 11:54:13
Comments:
In my view, perhaps the most plausible argument provided by the Preterist
view is that eternal torment is a false doctrine. If the words of Jesus were
truly intended for a contemporary audience; if His warnings of vengeance,
fire and destruction are for the generation who rejected Him, then why do so
many preach He is speaking of a general and eternal punishment?
If the wages of sin is death and neither Paul, John or Peter speak clearly
of an eternal torment (other than John’s symbolism in Revelation) , why is
the doctrine so widely held? It seems to me that for the Preterist view to
be taken seriously this doctrine must be examined in light of the view that
all things were fulfilled during 70 AD. Yet no one in the movement, that I
know of, has tackled this issue. If “the entire land” is correctly
substituted for “the whole earth” then why isn’t the garbage dump outside
Jerusalem explained as a place where the “worm does not die”? Why isn’t the
Rich Man explained as a type of Israel and Lazarus as a type of the
gentiles? Where is the courage and scholarship to speak out on all
controversial matters?
dick-matz@att.net
Date: 20 Jul 2007
Time: 06:47:16
Comments:
There were two tribulations in those days. First there was the "Baptism of
Fire" by which the Lord tested the faith of all those who claimed to be His.
At the end of this first tribulation, those who had endured to the end had
their salvation confirmed, and were raptured. Paul was among them (when he
included himself among the ("and we which are alive and remain", I don't
think he was mistaken about the timing. I believe that he knew more than we
give him credit for). The Old Testament Jews were resurrected, even if only
their souls, and not bodily. They are all in heaven during the Church Age,
the "Millennium," the "thousand years" (Rev. 20), Christ and His faithful
disciples judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days came the vengeance of God,
the second tribulation, which Jesus referred to as a time when tribulation
would be great. At about that time Satan was cast out of heaven with all his
following angels, unfaithful Jews would be destroyed, and the
Jewish nation would come to an end. Shortly before that, Peter wrote, "The
end of all things is at hand" (1st Peter 4:7).
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