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Significance of AD30 - Calvary is judgment de jure; AD70 is only judgment de facto ("WPG")

Jirair Tashjian: The Second Coming "When writers and preachers make such a big fuss about the Second Coming and the end of the world, they are forgetting something much more important. They are in effect minimizing the First Coming. In a real sense the world ended some two thousand years ago in Jesus. Something decisive happened for humanity and for our relationship with God in the life, death and resurrection of Christ." [The destruction of the veil proves de jure fulfillment] // "For Christ has appeared, and in him the shadows have given way to the perfect and abiding reality."


1/1/11: Administrative - Migrating Archived Works of Progressive Full Preterists.  The works of current professing Full Preterists who have stretched beyond the dispensationalism of "all Bible prophecy fulfilled by AD70" (eg. Kurt Simmons and now Patrick Stone) are classified under "Progressive Full Preterism".  Those formerly staunch supporters of Full Preterism who have publicly written about a pause for doctrinal review (eg. Jason Bradfield) will likewise be listed. (Bless your studies!)

IdealisticPreterism.jpg by Patrick Stone



  • Progressive: Jason Bradfield - Semper Reformanda Full Preterism  (2010) "I believe leaving the community and being inactive elsewhere (not entirely, but to a large degree) helped position me now into the role of an 'outsider' in regards to full preterism. Technically, I wasn't an outsider. Practically, I was. Instead of having my head buried in the sand and getting immersed with all the in-house scuffles, I was now able to step back and look at the bigger picture...and I didn't like what I saw. I blogged about this, an apology which has now been featured at the infamous PreteristArchive, a site ran by another former full preterist, Todd Dennis."

    "The rub is ~ given full preterist presuppositions, i want to know how you GOT from point A to point B. Systematically, logically, exegetically. Full preterism has NOT, i repeat, NOT done this! If any full preterist contests that they have, then all they have to do is simply provide the link here to either the work online or to a book they have published. It doesn't exist." // "And since no full preterist has done it ~ then why in the world would any full preterist get upset with me for stepping back and saying, "dang. I don't know about this full pret stuff anymore"? Why in the world would anyone get upset with me for wanting to exercise more CAUTION and to stop being dogmatic about a viewpoint that basically hasn't answered much of squat?" 

    • HyP Response: "Jason is like the ancient Jews who tied a rope around the High Priest so they can pull him out if need be in that Jason appears to be pulling on that rope as strongly as he can with  Sam but Sam is clawing by the fingernails to hang onto what he has invested 20 years into." // "Now it’s obvious that Sam is trying to hang onto what full Preterist legacy that he can but I’m afraid he has damaged his “theological goods” to the extent that many full Preterist will not trust his work anymore and give him the benefit of the doubt.  "


  • Former Full Preterists: Sam Frost - Houston, We Have a Problem….. (2010)

    "Full Preterism and Christianity are incompatible."

  • AD 30 Preterism: What Was Finished? - Last Words ‎"Tetelestai comes from the verb teleo, which means "to bring to an end, to complete, to accomplish." It's a crucial word because it signifies the successful end to a particular course of action. It's the word you would use when you climb to the peak of Mt. Everest"

  • Former Full Preterists:  Brian Simmons What Preterists Don’t Want You To Know "Hyper-Preterism conceals the fact that if Jesus Christ returned in A.D. 70 and all Biblical prophecy is  fulfilled, there is nothing more to “deliver” anybody from. Under their scheme, the elements of the Old Testament law (including the moral law) have been completely dissolved, thus taking away the standard of ...condemnation. For “sin is transgression of the law” (1 John 3: 4); and “where no law is, there is no sin"


  • "Most forms of Preterism believe except Preteristic Idealism that in A.D.70. all of mankind was made alive by Christ, the just and the unjust inthe universal corporate resurrection of mankind from the sin and death of Adam into Christ and all made subjects of Him when the City and Temple were destroyed."


  • Former Full Preterists - Jason Bradfield reclassified from Hyper Preterist to "Modern Preterist"  "the atonement .::. hiphop inspired by John Owen" (11/30/10) "I'm done with full preterism. I'm wanting to pursue systematics. I'm not interested in rabbit trails about personalities. Sorry. Maybe it will lead me back to full preterism, but frankly, i just don't see it happening. I see nothing to work with. Good luck trying to mentor and lead a paradigm that is undefined and ambiguous. Even Chuck admits, "The fact is that it’s never been clearly defined even what a full preterist is"' (HyP Response: "The taxonomy is a nebulous classification.") //

    "Preterism in a sense opens Pandora’s box. Any time one begins to fully recognize his or her freedom in Christ, their maturity level dictates the outcome. Once unshackled from the past, exploration can become intoxicating. This is both natural and dangerous depending upon the restraint exercised. Some handle it well while others are like a


  •  John L. Bray reclassified from Hyper Preterist to "Modern Preterist" I do not deny that Jesus Christ will come again at sometime in our future. But what I do say is that most, if not all, of the Bible passages we have interpreted to refer to such a future coming actually referred to the coming of Christ in judgment on the nation of Israel in Ad 67-70. Jesus said the “parousia” would occur in His generation, along with the other things the disciples had asked Him about (Matthew 24:3, 34). It is difficult to get any other interpretation out of this, even though traditions have declared otherwise. It is the Bible versus tradition on this matter, and one can draw his own conclusions as to which one is right.” (12/10 Biblical Perspectives) (HyP Response: "He's is 89 years old, a little mixed up at times")


  • AUDIO: Eusebius History of the Christian Church



  • The OPC and Hyper Preterism (2010) "Not only is hyper-preterism a denial of the clear biblical teaching about the second coming of Christ and the final resurrection, it is outside the boundaries of creedal orthodoxy. In the universal creeds of the church such as the Nicene creed, we confess that Christ "shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead" and that "we look for the resurrection of the dead."  So far as I know, the OPC does not have a formal statement on hyper-preterism. But every OPC minister and elder subscribes to the Westminster Confession of Faith, which unreservedly affirms that there remains a future advent of Jesus Christ accompanied by a physical, bodily resurrection."

  • Hyper/Critical/Outside Links: John Shepard: Problems with Full Preterism (2002)

  • Critical: Daymond Duck: Why Preterism is a false doctrine (2010) "Those who believe all prophecy has been fulfilled are called Preterists.  Not all Preterists agree with each other. There are partial Preterists and full Preterists.  The partial Preterists are divided into historicists and futurists.  Some of the partial Preterists believe the full Preterists are pagans, etc."  (Prophecy Plus Ministries)



  • Hyper/Critical: Mike Blume - The Weak Cross of Full Preterism (2005) "Not only that, but the scripture that teaches the meek shall inherit the earth will never be fulfilled, since there will be both sinners and saints forever on the earth.  Sinners will never be removed.  Also, we are told God's will must be done in earth as it is in heaven.  There is no sin in heaven.  This cannot be fulfilled in earth if full preterism is correct.  Full preterism must conclude that sin will always exist."

  • Hebrews Study Archive / Dating J. Julius Scott - “ARCHEGOS” IN THE SALVATION HISTORY OF THE EPISTLE TO THE HEBREWS (1986 PDF) "..a date just before or immediately after the destruction of city and temple in AD 70 catastrophe seems likely. In any case the writer certainly saw the old order "in the process of passing away" (8:13), and that is the crucial point. However, if the book does come from the general period of the Jewish war, then a possible reason for the assumed preoccupation and distraction of the readers becomes clear. The inclination to return to Judaism may have been linked to patriotic motives. It would have been natural for many Jews, even some in the diaspora, to desire to unite, even symbolically, with their embattled nation in her hour of need.

    For the writer, even considering the possibility of returning to Judaism indicated a failure to grasp the nature and implication of the present state of Salvation History. Jesus Christ inaugurated a new phase in God's dealings with men. The result is a new period, a new age, which has supplanted that which had gone before."

  • F.F. Bruce - Hebrews 9:11 But now Christ has appeared as high priest of the good things which have come to pass   (The majority reading is "the good things that are to come", but the weight of the evidence favors "the good things that have come" (so P.46 B D* 1611 1739 2005 with the Syriac versions, Chrysostom, and Cyril of Jerusalem)." (The Epistle to the Hebrews, p. 211)

  • Outside Links: 'Eschatology Wiki' at MB-Soft



Identifying "the age to come" solely with an earthly aion is under consideration for a special warning label, in that this misconception has become axiomatic in all "consistent preterist" theologies.  Certain orthodox preterists claim this "ages view" as well, so I won't at this time classify it as "Hyper Preterism".  It will suffice for now to simply call attention to the consequences of the "AD70 World/Age Hypothesis".

Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry , nor are given in marriage ("Worthy to obtain" demonstrates that the "world to come" isn't received based upon simple chronology (i.e. AD70), but upon the grounds of worthiness, which can only be one's identification with the Cross of Jesus Christ.)


  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: Foy Wallace - The Book of Revelation (1966) "The repeated reference to the period of the Destruction of Jerusalem as indicative of the author's inclination toward that view."

  • Hyper-Regressive/What Now? [Collecting comments that focus on "today" from a HyP perspective... comparing to Sam Frost's Modern Preterist solution to the HyP paradox.] Ed Stevens "If we assume that the preterist position is correct, then what about the prophetic scriptures that have all been fulfilled. "Are they then profitable any more for today?" ... Is this not taking away from Holy Scripture?' The value of Scripture is enhanced even more by its fulfillment. Now we are not just waiting for the consummation and given only a 'pledge' or 'seal' to get us by until the perfect arrives. We have the full and complete state of the kingdom. We live in His presence and eat at His table and commune with Him in His kingdom. The prophetic scriptures describe all these spiritual blessings that are ours now in the kingdom. Those passages are not just hopes and anxious longings. They are reality. They are realized eschatology." (Further Reply to Vander Werff)

  • "Futurist Revolution" in Full Preterism Rolls on..  "Just thought that you may be interested to know that I have finally come off the fence, and I jumped firmly down onto your side of it.  Do you know what finally clinched it for me? It was Rivers of Eden, and the talk he gave with Michael Loomis.  He was incredibly clear and erudite and presented his case well, and as a result I saw clearly for the first time the consequence of taking the 'all fulfilled' to it's logical end, and it is not pretty." (Cite)


11/18/10: Merged articles from

Former HyP | Hyper - Critical, Outside | Idealism:


  • /Hyper/critical-outside When Shall These Things Be? (2004) Dr. Charles Hill “The hyper-preterist may try to make peace with the discomfiting anomalies of history by viewing them as an indication of the abysmally low level of Spiritual apprehension in the subapostolic age. But then this conclusion will belie his other contention that his view would have been the same one preached universally by the apostles and received by the congregations they founded. If this claims to be the faith once delivered to the saints (Jude 3), we have to conclude that the delivery was never quite made. Somebody, – no, everybody – fumbled the faith away. In addition, the hyper-preterist will then have the troubling paradox that the generation which experienced God’s final perfecting of his saints is the very generation which let the faith slip through its hands.” (WSTTB?, p. 119)

  • Regressive Max King, “For Paul, Israel’s future consummation was the sum and substance of the gospel, for what is the gospel except God’s fulfillment of His promise to Israel through Christ?  If, however, Israel and the future consummation are abandoned, the gospel is stripped of its historical foundation” (Cross and Parousia, pg. 105).


  • Hyper-Critical: Blog - - Futurist interacting critically with the writings of Don Preston. "Don Preston argues that the “last days” in Isaiah 2:2 defines the context of all of Isaiah 2-4 to be the “last days”, which Preston then further defines to be the Destruction of Jerusalem. In the list below Preston takes scriptures from Isaiah 2-4 and finds what he takes to be parallels in Revelation. Then, Voila!, he concludes Revelation is merely a highly symbolic book describing the AD 70 destruction of Jerusalem. There are a couple of problems with Preson’s approach. First, the context of Isaiah 2-4 is not continuous, and the list of scriptures from there therefore does not speak of a single prophetic event but refers to various times and events."

Sam Frost "Full Preterism is the ONLY Millennial scheme that does not have this Final State - which should make it suspect, right there. "  (Siegle HyP response: "My understanding of the "final state" of the believer (a descriptive term that is never used in Scripture) would relate to his entering into Covenant with God through identification with and participation in the already accomplished "resurrection-life" that belongs to the "age to come."")

Frost, 11/15/10: (Sam's older statement in book "House Divided") "The Preterist scheme is simple: the end of the age took place in AD 70, and at that time, the "age to come" was inaugurated by the Second Coming of Christ.....The Kingdom was established in that day and is now fulfilling passages that speak of its eternal, never ending growth and increase..." (229). You can already see that issue with me there. But, you can also see my allusion to Isaiah 9.6 ("increase") and how I had not formulated an end to history yet. This was my Full Preterist view. The point of this is to point out the "now fulfilling".....That has always been in my preaching (mustard seed growth), and even in House Divided, no one picked up on it then as they are now. So, it demonstrates what I used to believe, and how the argument from infinity has made a huge impact in my thinking as well. I wasn't searching for this. I was quite happy where I was at. But, I do operate from two things, one of which you mentioned. First, Scripture... So, I now had a choice: choose what I have always believed, or tow the Full Preterist line even to the point of "paradox". But, that would mean I abandon my epistemology - and that was not going to happen, either. These choices - far more important to me than some speculative point of Full Preterism (infinite procreation) have become crystal clear. Crystal clear. "

Sounds like similar method:  Dave Green: "That salvation was predicted, foreshadowed, and proclaimed in the old testament. It was a salvation that would be fulfilled and realized at the Cross of Christ, and fully consummated at His Presence in the end of the old-covenant age in A.D. 70." (New Covenant Salvation)

"He shall make it (Jerusalem) desolate, even until the consummation," - Does this prophecy look past AD70?  As far as Masada or farther?




  • Eugene Stovall - The Idumean Covenant: A Novel of the Fall of Jerusalem (2010) "Inexplicably, however, Josephus relates in his Jewish Wars that the insurrectionists against Rome called upon “the Idumeans” for support in order to prevent the Judean sect of Sadducees from turning Jerusalem over to the Romans. In addressing this enigma, The Idumean Covenant becomes a locomotive taking the intelligent reader on a historical adventure of cynical plots, unconventional alliances and impossible loves pitting the most powerful men of the Roman Empire against each other resulting in a dramatic transformation of the existing world order. "



  • Sam Frost: BCS, Ch. 21 Pt. 1 (11/5/10) "The “buzz” going around on the other Preterist websites is that they, too, see “ongoing fulfillment.” If this is the case, then Full Preterism needs to drop the moniker that “we believe ALL prophecy was fulfilled in A.D. 70.” They weren’t. The prophecies concerning the “age to come” are being fulfilled today.
    • On Prophecy - "I suppose the difference is that I believe that this goal is prophesied.  Once it is accomplished perhaps then God will end history.  I don’t know when He will, just that he has revealed in the Bible that he will (Eccl 3.11; Is 41.4, et al)." 

    • On Full Preterist Covenant Creationism - "One has to buy into the entire system it seems in order for the "parts" to work. But when one starts questioning the parts, that's where it breaks down. "



  • R.C. Sproul - Signs of the End "The signs in 24:4–35 refer to the coming of Jesus in AD 70 to judge Jerusalem and those who rejected Him as the Messiah. This coming was not our Lord’s second advent as judge over the whole earth, which this view argues is yet to come. Full preterism (which denies that Christ’s second advent lies ahead) is to be rejected for its failure to recognize an essential truth of Scripture (Acts 1:6–11). Full preterists erroneously believe the events of AD 70 and the second advent are identical, allowing for no subsequent return of the King."

  • Administrative: Dorothy Anderson removed from "Former Full Preterist" list. ("I’ve witnessed the other formers over the years and how well I know what they have experienced.  I have great empathy for them now that I’ve been there.  On the other hand, just like my experience, I find a huge lack of scriptural reason for their abandonment of the full preterist position." // 11/9/10: "There were many who contributed to me leaving and like I’ve said earlier, it all evolved around texts that I had not fully reconciled, nor seen reconciled to my satisfaction while in the full prêt camp.  Maybe to some degree I did want to be accepted in the orthodox community again.  Can’t say that with a high degree of certainty, but can’t discount it either.")

  • VIDEO: Gary DeMar : Who Is The Antichrist?


Sam Frost Show - Wednesdays at
Was ALL Bible Prophecy Fulfilled by AD70?  No.

  • Samuel Frost - Towards a Fuller Preterism (10/31/2010) "This.. is the real deal of what FP teaches: the earth will never, ever, never, ever never never know peace.......WAR IS THE NORM on earth for INFINITY. Folks....this is now unmasked..... " (HyP Response: "What the true proverb says has happened … "The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.")

    • Response to Green on Towards a Fuller Preterism (11/3/10) - "Green here asserts that “in accordance with BIBLE PROPHECY” we are still “growing”.  So, let’s think logically here.  If BIBLE PROPHECY is still BEING fulfilled (still growing as the PROPHETS said) beyond A.D. 70, then…..well, you can do the math.

      But, in case you missed that, Green says it again: the Bible “describes” the age to come.  Now, this was the whole point of my paper, was it not.  But, if this is true, then the Bible speaks “beyond” A.D. 70.  And, if it so speaks (prophesies), then what exactly is the problem, Dave?  You have made my point: Bible Prophecy was not “all” fulfilled in A.D. 70!  Q.E.D.  If it “describes” (read, prophesies), then, clearly, all prophecy is not yet fulfilled.  This underscores my point: ongoing FULFILLMENT.  Ask a Covenant Creationist if prophecy is, in any way, shape, or form, “being fulfilled” today.  It is THIS TYPE of FP that I am attacking.  It’s not a straw man." 

      • Green: "Sam believes that the Second Coming and Resurrection of the Dead will be consummated in our future.  Does he not?  If so, then it follows that he is not a full preterist. "



  • Google Books: The History of the Siege and Destruction of Jerusalem
  • Mark 13 & the Fall of Jerusalem "Mark 13 is rife with material that forms part of the popular Christian imagination about “the end times.” By “the end times,” of course, I mean, the vision of the future era that will precede the coming of Jesus from heaven to earth. But the passage is set up so that readers will view it as a prophetic... warning about being a follower of Jesus in the face of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple as occurred in AD 70."


  • Former Full Preterists: Sam Frost: Towards A Fuller Preterism, Part 1 "I was going to entitle this series, “Preterism Has No Future”, but decided against it. I think certain forms of what has come to be known as Full Preterism (FP) has no future in terms of surviving outside the internet community. The academic community has all but rejected it"




  • Gary DeMar: Rare comments from Gary DeMar on Full Preterism: "The Full Preterist crowd is small, and there are defectors every day. Then there's the problem of the nearly dozen views of Full Preterism.. Further, I don't write articles denouncing Full Preterism, although there are many partial preterists who argue I should. And I certainly don't misrepresent Full Preterists. Engaging Full Preterists would end up being a big tar baby. For what? A few Full Preterists who can't agree among themselves."

  • Which Mountain is Your Refuge?  "In the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, believers heeded Christ’s words to flee to the mountains of Pella.  Today, when crises come, to where do you flee with confidence?"



  • Defining "Hyper Preterism" - Sam Frost defines "Hyper Preterism" - Any form of Full Preterism which ends prophetic fulfillment in AD70.    "Now, sure, they will say, people still come into the city of the New Jerusalem and christianity spreads and has spread for the last 2,000 years, BUT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING THE BIBLE PROMISED, PROPHESIED, or PREDICTED according to what I now call: Hyper Preterism."

    • HyP response by Mike Sullivan: "Sam knows he is loosing credibility among FP/Covenant Eschatology folks really fast, so he is desperately trying to re-define the terms so that we are now "hyper-preterists"---- Selah!  ..Sam has struggled with alcohol and his marriage and hasn't been experiencing the joy of the Lord as much as he wants to. He blames FP for this and continues to "drift" more and more back into the PP "orthodox" and "scholarly" world hoping this will solve his problems. Sorry Sam - it might temporarily, but in the long run it will only magnify your problems and specifically your conscience 7 fold! " (cf. regressive)

    • HyP response by Tim Martin "The ironic thing is that some are suggesting that their personal experience indicates a "problem" with full-preterist theology. If that isn't the "blame game," I don't know what is. All based on personal observations (empirical in nature) and feelings, no less! Others have done it before, too, in my opinion. Similar arguments were introduced in the "preterist-idealist" fiasco a few years ago. Nothing new here.  That is my advice to those pondering blaming full-preterism for their own issues. Don't do it. You're just digging your own misery in deeper and deeper. If you don't take responsibility it is only going to get worse."


  • Former Full Preterists: Vince Krivda - That He Should Save Both: The Full-Preterist Incarnation Controversy  "One common teaching in Full-Preterism is that believers are only redeemed from spiritual defect and not in both body and soul. Such teaching contradicts several articles of the faith which systematically constitute the Gospel. Thus, Full Preterism does not take heed to build upon foundational doctrine, ...but rather it substitutes dogmata with aberrant novelties that have already been rejected by the Church."

10/1/10:  Happy 14th Anniversary PreteristArchive (1996-2010)


  • Over 2,000 Prophecies Perfectly Fulfilled | Bible Prophecy Update  Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors."  (‎80% agreement on the important Bible prophecies is not that bad at all.)


  • Joost Holleman: Resurrection and Parousia (1996) This is a traditio-historical study of three ideas concerning the eschatological resurrection which Paul brings forward in 1 Corinthians 15:20-23: (a) Jesus' resurrection forms the beginning of the eschatological resurrection; (b) the eschatological resurrection will take place through participation.


  • Jonathan Edwards's interpretation of Revelation 4:1-8:1 "David Holwerda notes that "even when a prophecy points to a final future event in the eyes of most interpreters, Calvin usually insists that it is already being fulfilled.. The millennial belief assumes that Christ will reign visibly on the not-yet-renewed earth for a limited period of time. But Calvin believes that the... perfected kingdom already exists in Christ, that it is eternal and includes the renovation of the world. Consequently, Christ's visible appearance can mean only the final revelation of a perfected kingdom"


Thomas Ice: "Firmin Abauzit (1679-1767) of Geneva, who was a friend of Rousseau and Voltaire, published a commentary on Revelation in 1730 titled Historic Discourse on the Apocalypse, in which he advocated a more complete preterist view than his predecessors."


  • 1798 SERMON AT BOSTON,MA. REV. DAVID TAPPAN VERY RARE "The Theocracy established in the Jewish nation, and the whole train of divine proceedings respecting that people are conducted upon this principle. This conduct of Deity was designed as a Specimen of the usual methods of administration towards all public bodies ; though it does not warrant them to expect such immed...iate and extraordinary retributions or providence, as were dispensed to ancient Israel. As God was the political Sovereign of the Jews, as they held their peculiar privileges and even the land of Canaan on condition of their loyalty.."

  • The Gospel of Matthew: The Use of the Fall of Jerusalem as a Watershed for the Dating Hugely significant commentary on Matthew: "Scholars have mosl commonly dated Matthew in the 80s or ihe 90s. But this is not to any significant degree because they have been able to identify in Matthew features that reflect what is definitely known of a situation in the 80s and 90s. They regularly claim just one fixed ...point; that Matthew reflects knowledge of the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple in a.d. 70. This knowledge is said to be reflected most clearly in Mt. 22:7 and is sometimes claimed to be reflected in 23:36. 38 and 24:2. But while they are likely right to think that the present form of Mt. 22:7 reflects the Jerusalem focus on the judgment materials of chaps. 23 and 24 (see the discussion at 22:7) and to that degree is not an original feature of the parable, there is no basis for going beyond this and claiming that Matthew has written in light of what actually happened in A.D. 70.

  • Jerry Bowers - Beyond Full Preterism (9/16/10) "As my own journey in Full Preterist circles has evolved, I’ve discovered multiple discrepancies within Full Preterism that simply make it untenable, to the point that I’m not comfortable associating my name within this school of thought any longer. I foolishly believed that once... I discovered this title/label, I had discovered a group of believers who actually had a cohesive school of thought on Eschatology; that was my fault all the way."


  • Derek Daschke: City of Ruins: Mourning the Destruction of Jerusalem Through Jewish Apocalypse (2010)

  • Dr. Francis Nigel Lee: Jerusalem; Rome; Revelation - John's Apocalypse Written Before AD70 - Added Bibliography (pdf)

  • LaHaye/Ice: The End Times Controversy: The Second Coming Under Attack (2003)

    "German Preterism - Firmin Abauzit (1679-1767) of Geneva, who was a friend of Rousseau and Voltaire, published a commentary on Revelation in 1730 titled Historic Discourse on the Apocalypse, in which he advocated a more complete preterist view than his predecessors. Abauzit's work also broke new ground in that it was the first "in this period to attack the canonical authority of the Apocalypse"

    Preterist Moses Stuart says of Abauzit that his "book is generally regarded as marking the commencement of a new period in the criticism of the Apocalypse." Stuart describes Abauzit's views as follows: "His starting point was, that the book itself declares that all which it predicts would take place speedily. Hence Rome, in chap, xiii-xix. points figuratively to Jerusalem. Chap. xxi. xxii. relate to the extension of the church, after the destruction of the Jews."

    Johann Gottfried Herder (1744-1803) is credited with adopting Abauzit's understanding of the Apocalypse and also saw it as "emphasizing) the Jewish catastrophe." Herder expressed his views in his book entitled Maranatha, which was published in 1779 "Stuart said this about Herder's form of preterism: "Although he seems to move in a narrow circle, as to the meaning of the book; limiting it so generally to the Jews, yet he makes God's dealings with them, and with his church at that period, symbolical of the circumstances of the church in every age."

    In 1791, Johann Gottfried Eichhorn (1752-1827) produced a commentary on Revelation that was exalted, emulated, and admired in critical German circles for many years.137 While Eichhorn did not see all of the Apocalypse being fulfilled in the first century, as did Abauzit and Herder, he did see a number of Jewish fulfillments in the second half of Revelation. Eichhorn was a typical German preterist—he did not believe the Bible was inspired by God, nor did it contain predictive prophecy. Stuart says, "I do not and cannot regard Eichhorn as a believer in Christianity, in the sense in which those are who admit the inspired authority of the Scripture."

    European preterism of the post-Reformation period, especially the German variety, was attractive to those of the liberal persuasion. Froom observes: "Preterist principles have been adopted and adapted by those of rationalistic mind as the easiest way to compass the problem of prophecy, throwing it into the past, where it does not affect life today. It has had a sizable following among rationalists, of which Modernism is the modern counterpart." Preterists in our own day may be pleased about the historical evidence for the spread of preterism in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries in Europe. However, they cannot be happy that the foundational support for this growth of preterism was based upon German rationalism and unbelief." (The End Times Controversy, pp. 55-56)

  • Former Full Preterist: Mark Edward: Why I left full preterism, and where I am now - Sovereign Grace Preterism



Samuel M. Frost, Former Full Preterist?

"If, in fact, we are living during the times of the "healing of the nations", then this is ongoing in fulfillment to the Scriptures. / If this, then, is so, then one must concede the argument of 'fullfillment already - manifestation not yet' (my argument in a nutshell)." 

(If Sam is applying this to our resurrection as well, he will be reclassified as "Modern Preterist"... developing)

Samuel Frost's view that the kingdom came in the first century and yet that Jesus is now conquering the world through the gospel is much closer to traditional Christianity, and appears to have the endorsement of Dr. Talbot.  If Sam's "Ongoing Fulfillment" relates to the conquest of the Gospel over all nations, kings and religions, does that qualify as Full Preterism?

  • Mike Sullivan, David Green, Ed Hassertt: SAM FROST'S DEPARTURE FROM FULL PRETERISM INTO THE PARTIAL PRETERIST / PRETERIST IDEALIST WORLD OF TALBOT (9/10/2010) "In Sam’s end of the world article he claimed that Full Preterist’s understand the long ages of Isaiah 65 as teaching “spiritual abundance.” I followed this up with asking Sam if this meant that he changed his interpretation of the passage (to the FP one), or if he was being misleading in that he was still holding onto a PP Postmillennial (PPP) hermeneutic (it is spiritual [“spiritual abundance”] AND literal – the long ages will be seen as the passage is “fully manifested/fulfilled” over time).  Again, Sam dodged the question. How scholarly, respectful, and loving."

    • Sam Frost: "no Preterist has been able to say to me that 'nothing changes' when we physically die. In other words, it is correct to say 'I am glorified' today in the Body of Christ, as He is Glorified. However, is this glorification FULLY MANIFEST or APPARENT today? Now, ask yourself: will it be in heaven when I physically die? Will anything change? Will I still be the same, old bumbling Sam Frost that I am here on earth? Will I still be subject to occasional sin? Error? If not, why not? Do I get 'something else' in Heaven? It is not so much that we 'get' something else, but that that which WE HAVE (II Cor. 5.1-2) will be ENTIRELY in FULL OPERATION - FULL ON POWER. If this, then, is so, then one must concede the argument of 'fullfillment already - manifestation not yet' (my argument in a nutshell)."

    1. The kingdom would come as a mustard seed in the Parousia in AD 70.
    2. Then after the Parousia in AD 70, the kingdom will grow for untold thousands of years until it finally "fill[s] all the earth," in fulfillment of Daniel 2:35 and other prophecies.

Does a view of the Kingdom's arrival on Earth in the first century set the stage for future consummation?  Were ALL of His enemies crushed beneath His feet when the Kingdom came, or was that just the beginning of the march of the conquest of the King and His Word now that there was a new player on the historical scene?  Cf. Paganism vs. Christianity in past; Islam in future:


Islam and Bible Prophecy : A Case Study in the "Eventual Gospel Universalism" of J.S. Russell, David Chilton, and Samuel Frost

Peace on Earth where all competing religions eventually bow the knee to Jesus in defeat -- such as Paganism did in the conversion of the Roman Empire to King Jesus 312

"Surely, it was not in vain that Jesus said, ‘I am the Light of the World.’ ‘God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved.’ ‘I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto myself.’" James Stuart Russell, The Parousia (emphasis in original)

James Stuart Russell

David Chilton on "Eventual Gospel Universalism" Here is Chilton before his conversion to full preterism (if his view qualifies.. that is what is under dispute regarding Sam's theology) and after:

(Before) ""It is certainly true that righteousness does not dwell in the earth in an absolute sense; nor will this world ever be absolutely righteous, until the final enemy is defeated at the Second Coming of Christ.. according to God's promise, the saving knowledge of Him will yet fill the earth, as the waters cover the sea." (Days of Vengeance, 544)

(After)  "Once the Lord came to destroy the scaffolding of the Old Covenant structure, the New Covenant Temple would be left in its place, and the victorious march of the Church would be unstoppable.  According to God's predestined design, the world will be converted; the earth's treasures will be brought into the City of God, as the Paradise Mandate (Gen. 1:27-28; Matt. 28:18-20) is consummated (Rev. 21:1-27)." (from "New Heavens and Earth")


If "eventual gospel universalism" is true, then should we expect CHRIST'S TRIUMPHANT MARCH TO FIND FULFILLMENT IN THE FALL OF ISLAM? - Is Christianity expected to conquer over Islam on Earth one day? What would Bible prophecy suggest regarding the outcome of the 'Sovereign status' duel between Jesus and Mohammed? Is Jesus' kingdom of this world, or is He solely interested in saving souls while His competitors pillage His people? (Fb Port)

Let the saints be joyful in glory;
         Let them sing aloud on their beds.
the high praises of God be in their mouth,
         And a two-edged sword in their hand,
To execute vengeance on the nations,
         And punishments on the peoples;
To bind their kings with chains,
         And their nobles with fetters of iron;
To execute on them the written judgment—
         This honor have all His saints.
Ps. 149

AD79 and vesuvius has been seen as a good example of this conquest, as Lyn Schuldt pointed out in 1996.  As with all warfare, this march naturally leads to a climax.  This would be either the failure of the Gospel to conquer, or His subduing all nations and religions beneath Him.  As the last holdout falls (in Jerusalem, probably), this would bestow an unprecedented peace on Earth and goodwill towards man.   Even full preterism seems to necessitate some form of futurist consummation in this case.   Sam is way out in front of the pack... although I wonder if there will ever be a time when there aren't competitors to the throne.  Every generation brings a new crop of would-be religious or political autocrats. 

By the Way, is Islam in Bible Prophecy?

  • ChristiaNet: Is the Rise of Islam in the Bible? - Many viewpoints chime in on the question of the fulfillment of "prophecies relating to Mohammed".

  • IslamWorld: Did Jesus and Isaiah PROPHESY the coming of MUHAMMAD? - Prophecies fulfilled after AD70? Or Not Applicable?  "The word parakletos is peculiar in the NT to the Johnannine literature. In 1John ii1 Jesus is a parakletos (not a title), serving as a heavenly intercessor with the Father. ...Christian tradition has identified this figure (Paraclete) as the Holy Spirit, but scholars like Spitta, Delafosse, Windisch, Sasse, Butlmann and Betz have doubted whether this identification is true to the original picture and have suggested that the Paraclete was once an independent salvific figure, later confused with the Holy Spirit." (page 1135).



Unprecedented wave of introspection within Full Preterism (NOTE: Links are to Full Preterists websites):

  • Edward J. Hassertt - I'm a Bit Crushed Today... (April 16, 2010) "Seeing preterism devolve into an attempt to get the biggest piece of the pie possible instead of ministering to others and helping others learn, it depressing.  Then seeing a man I respect support such things, just tears my heart out.  Then when I look in the mirror I see the man I should be pointing a finger at." (Resigned from Preterist Radio on 9/11/10)
  • Sam Frost - Full Preterism and the Problem of Infinity  (May 22, 2010) "This move in my direction, knowing the role I have played (and will continue to gladly play) in the FP movement, is not an attempt to prove the FP as entirely wrong. "  "I have been shamelessly accused of almost everything one can think of for breaking ranks on this issue. I follow no ranks. I am not one to insist that “no one can leave the compound!” I go where my studies and my conscience before God leads me, period. I don’t “tow the line” for anyone, any party, or ...any movement."

  • Preston-Simmons Debate (Spring-Summer 2010) "The cross has vanished from Don’s soteriology. "/ "This is the long and short of Don’s teaching: nothing happened at the cross."

  • Jason Bradfield - An Apology to the Public Regarding Preterism (August 26, 2010) "The online Preterist community is an embarrassment on many levels. And by "preterism", i am referring to full preterism.. i am preaching against myself as well. I have been guilty of some of  these things. Hence, one of the reasons i wanted to take a break and  reassess things."
  • Preterism Debate - I think it is time (September 3, 2010) "To say the least, the time is now, and I know that many of us, regardless of what position we hold in Full Preterism, this goes without saying, but must be said."  "the Holy Spirit is NOT working within us as a unit, and the possiblity of us being wrong the entire time, is showing more and more as time goes by while we bicker like little children.. I am positive, Christ is NOT happy with any of this."
  • Larry Siegle - Preterism: Back to the Drawing Board? (September 5, 2010) "Here are several things for each one of us to consider carefully:
    1. Have we allowed ourselves to become defensive toward others simply because of a point of 'exegetical' difference?
    2. Have we given ourselves over to the sin of pride, seeking to protect and to defend our "pet" theories instead of having a willingness to continue to study together as fellow believers?
    3. Have those who consider themselves "Leaders" set a poor example in our own conduct and attitudes toward others, both within the movement and outside?
    4. Have we adopted unsound principles of interpretation in an effort to "prove" more than the text actually has to say?
    5. Has being a "Preterist" become a "hobby-horse" creating a theological imbalance about other important aspects of doctrine and godly living?
    6. Has the gospel of Jesus Christ become nothing more  than an "intellectual" exercise in which we promote a spirit of strife and argumentation, over the practical and spiritual meaning of just being a Christian?

A Dictionary of the Writers on the Prophecies (1835 PDF) | Works Relating to Jews in the New York Library (1914 PDF) | Fulfilled Prophecy Bibliography | PDF Book Files

PAST AND PRESENT STATE OF PALESTINE ; Christ's Second Coming not fulfilled at the Destruction of Jerusalem.—This is the title of a little pamphlet aiming to establish that the second coming of Christ could not, as some suppose, have taken place at the period of the destruction of Jerusalem. The author proves clearly to our mind that the issue of the destruction of Jerusalem was very different from the effects that were to result to the Jews at Christ's second coming, and that the promises to them, connected with that event, have not yet been fulfilled. The author proves first of all—and it is really a sad token that such a proof is required— that Christ did not certainly appear on earth during that period. He then proceeds to narrate the events we are led to expect before our Lord's coining. He mentions the works and signs of Antichrist, and his appearance, and argues—and we herein agree with him—that he has not yet come, and that the description given of him is only in part applicable to any of the supposed Antichrists. One of the signs is, the Jews will receive him; for our Saviour says,' 'If another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." Now if the Jews had ever received such an one, they could not still be looking for Messiah, as they are to this day.

The coming of Christ is to be immediately after the tribulation of those days. Those days, our author says, are not yet ended ; they will close with the tribulation of the last days, after which Jesus will immediately appear. Christ is to come after the Jews are converted ; now if He had come at the destruction of Jerusalem, how is it that the veil continues unto the present day ? Christ is to light for Israel. He certainly did not fight for them at the destruction of Jerusalem. .Again, a resurrection must attend our Lord's return to this earth, and the judgment must take place after He has come. The author demonstrates that these things have not yet taken place, but most surely will be fulfilled.

We have given a very meagre outline of this little book, as we are pressed for want of space. But even this mere sketch will suffice to show that the contents are interesting and varied, and worthy to be studied."  (The Scattered nation and Jewish Christian magazine, vol. II)

A response to: The Second Advent: Or, what do the Scriptures teach respecting the Second Coming of Christ, the End of the World, the Resurrection of the Dead, and the General Judgment ?


Philip Mauro wrote 35 books of which three were later published as one volume (Expository Readings in Romans in 1913). The Number of Man (1909) is included as a bonus item.  Bible Chronology and Patmos Visions were eventually published as revised, expanded publications (The Wonder of Bible Chronology and Of Things Which Must Soon Come to Pass, both in 1936). Both are still in print today and freely available. Mauro later retracted his 1913 book, Looking for the Saviour and for that reason it was not included in the collection of book manuscripts. The rest are all here:

(1) Reason to Revelation (1905); (2) The World and Its God (1905); (3) Man’s Day (1908); (4) Life in the Word (1909); (5) The “Wretched Man” and His Deliverance (1910); (6) God’s Gospel and God’s Righteousness (Romans 1:1–5:11) (1910); (7) God’s Gift and Our Response (Romans 5:12–8:13) (1910); (8) God’s Love and God’s Children (Romans 8:14–16:27) (1910) – 6, 7 and 8 later appeared in one publication, see Number 11; (9) God’s Pilgrims (1912); (10)  God’s Apostle and High Priest (1913); (11) Expository Readings in Romans (1913) (see 6,7 and 8 previously); (12) The Last Call to the Godly Remnant (1914); (13) Baptism (1914); (14) “After This”: or the Church, the Kingdom and the Glory (1918); (15) The Kingdom of Heaven: What Is It? And When? And Where? (1918); (16) Bringing Back the King (1919); (17) A Kingdom Which Cannot Be Shaken (1919); (18) God’s Present Kingdom (1919); (19) Our Liberty in Christ, a Study in Galatians (1920); (20) Ruth, the Satisfied Stranger (1920); (21) Evolution at the Bar (1922); (22) James: The Epistle of Reality (1923); (23) The Seventy Weeks and the Great Tribulation (1923, revised 1944); (24) Which Version? Authorized or Revised? (1924); (25) How Long to the End? (1927); (26) The Gospel of the Kingdom (1928); (27) The Hope of Israel (1929); (28) The Church, the Churches and the Kingdom (1936)

TITLES INCLUDED IN “COLLECTED SHORTER WRITINGS” The Collected Shorter Writings is approximately 300 pages long and should by itself be a collector's dream: 30 manuscripts of which some can only be classified as extremely rare or scarce while others are classics. A terrific compilation.

(1) A Personal Testimony (1909); (2) The Truth about Evolution (1905); (3) God’s Way in Sickness (1907); (4) Eternal Relationships (1908); (5) The Present State of the Crops (1908); (6) Modern Philosophy (1909); (7) The Foundations of Faith (1909); (8) The Characteristics of the Age and Their Significance (1909); (9) The Christian’s Choice: Self-Life or Christ-Life. Which? (1910); (10) Concerning Spiritual Gifts (1910); (11) The Order of the Star in the East (1915); (12) Concerning Fellowship in Breaking Bread (1915); (13) Shall We Smite with the Sword? (1917); (14) Christ’s Entry into Jerusalem; (15) The “Character” of Matthew’s Gospel (1919); (16) The House of God (1919); (17) Watch. Be Ready. (1919); (18) By What Means? (1919); (19) More Than a Prophet (1919); (20) Speaking in Tongues (1920); (21) The Sign of the Prophet Jonah (1923); (22) Paul and the Mystery (1923); (23) Never Man Spake Like This Man (1923); (24) Dispensationalism Justifies the Crucifixion (1927); (25) The Kingdom Heresies of S. D. Gordon (1930); (26) A Letter to a Dispensationalist (1933); (27) What is the Millennium of Revelation 20? (1944); (28) Things Pertaining to the Kingdom of God (1979); (29) Gog and Magog (1981); (30) The Prayer in Gethsemane (1981).

BONUS ITEMS (1) The Number of Man (1909) (essentially the same theme as Man's Day of 1908 but nevertheless included in the Library); (2) A Chronological Timeline of the Bible (compiled from the charts in The Wonder of Bible Chronology); (3) The 430 years of Exodus 12:40, 41 and Galatians 3:17 and The 400 years of Genesis 15:13 and Acts 7:6  (compiled from the charts in The Wonder of Bible Chronology).



  • PRETERISM REFUTED WITH MID ACTS DISPENSATIONALISM Satan's policy of evil against the Body of Christ has been, since the first century, to confuse Christians about where in the Scriptures to find the gospel. "When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest." (Author unknown).


  • R.W. Dale The Jewish temple and the Christian church (1871)  "The end of all things is at hand." "His voice then shook the earth, but now hath He promised, saying, yet once more I shake not the earth only but also heaven." In His last revelation to mankind, God's purposes are reaching perfect accomplishment. Empires which had overshadowed the whole earth had decayed and perished.... The institutions and laws which God Himself had originally established, the temple He had consecrated, the priests He had anointed, were now ready to vanish away."

  • I think it is time - Preterism Debate 

    ‎"To say the least, the time is now, and I know that many
    of us, regardless of what position we hold in Full Preterism, this goes
    without saying, but must be said."

  • The Emperor Julian "(Julian) realized that the very existence of Jewish communities called into question the claims of Christianity. The Jews were exultant and contributed generously to the work. The rubble was cleared away and the foundations laid bare, but then a disastrous fire of mysterious origin accompanied by an earthquake put an abrupt end to the project."



  • Lewis C. Todd: A Defence containing the author's renunciation of Universalism (1834) "It may be urged In favour of the universalist exposition of the 25th of Matthew, that the spread of the Gospel among the Gentiles and their induction into the gospel faith, is what is meant by the "blessed coming to inherit the kingdom," &c. and their coming into life eternal; but this did not take place in any special sense, at the destruction of Jerusalem."

  • Daniel Whitby (1710) "Having given my Conjecture, that the Jewish Church, with their rulers, were the Antichrist mentioned by St. Paul; I proceed to shew, how their Apostasy, when they were thus deserted by God, resembled, and ran Parallel to the Apostasy of the Roman Church." (Additional comments on II Thess. 2)


  • First Generation Modern Preterist: Thomas Hayne Study Archive "The debate between Mede and Thomas Hayne illustrates an important division that emerged within English apocalyptic tradition. // All that awaited fulfillment in Hayne's interpretation of the apocalyptic drama was the return of Christ to throw the Devil, the beast and the false prophet into the eternal lake of fire (20:10).  In the end neither Mede nor Hayne surrendered any exegetical ground."

  • Preterist Universalism: (Author unknown) The Case for Biblical Universalism: Preterist Eschatology (u/k) "Preterism still struggled to gain credibility within other Protestant countries, especially England. The English commentator Thomas Hayne claimed that the prophecies of Daniel had all been fulfilled by the 1st century (‘Christs Kingdom on Earth’, 1645), and Joseph Hall expressed the same conclusion concerning Daniel’s prophecies (‘The Revelation Unrevealed’, 1650), but neither of them applied their Preterist views to Revelation. However, the exposition of Grotius convinced the Englishman Henry Hammond. Hammond sympathized with Grotius’ desire for unity among Christians, and found his Preterist exposition useful to this end.[17] Hammond wrote his own Preterist exposition in 1653, borrowing extensively from Grotius. In his introduction to Revelation he claimed that others had independently arrived at similar conclusions as himself, though he gives pride of place to Grotius.[18] Hammond was Grotius’ only notable Protestant convert, and despite his reputation and influence, Grotius’ interpretation of Revelation was overwhelmingly rejected by Protestants and gained no ground for at least 100 years."

  • Turpin Library (DTS) Rare Online Books Collection - Authors Index

  • Jeffrey K. Jue: Heaven on Earth: Joseph Mede and the rise of millenarianism - Section 8 - Challenges from Preterists (2006) This book contributes to the ongoing revision of early modern British history by examining the apocalyptic tradition through the life and writings of Joseph Mede (1586-1638). The history of the British apocalyptic tradition has yet to undergo a thorough revision. Past studies followed a historiographical paradigm which associated millenarianism with a revolutionary agenda. A careful study of Joseph Mede, one of the key individuals responsible for the rebirth of millenarianism in England, suggests a different picture of seventeenth-century apocalypticism. The roots of Mede's apocalyptic thought are not found in extreme activism, but in the detailed study of the Apocalypse with the aid of ancient Christian and Jewish sources. Mede's legacy illustrates the geographical prevalence and long-term sustainability of his interpretations. This volume shows that the continual discussion of millenarian ideas reveals a vibrant tradition that cannot be reconstructed to fit within one simple historiographical narrative.

    ‎"The sixteenth century marked the increase of the historical-prophetic exegetical method, while the seventeenth century witnessed the dominance of this hermeneutic. Yet within this historicist tradition in England, two competing interpretations arose. The New England pastor, Increase Mather, expressed his opinion of ...the Dutch scholar Hugo Grotius and his most ardent English supporter Henry Hammond in one of his dissertations:

    • "As for Grotius, I look on my self as concerned to warn young Scholars to beware of him, lest they suck down Poison when they think they have found Honey.  He has by perverse Expositions and Interpretations in his Annotations on the Bible, corrupter many Texts of Scripture .. Dr. Hammond has borrowed most of his Nations from Grotius (especially his apocalyptical ones) whoever compares them will quickly discern."

    "All millenarians in the same strand as Mede shared Mather's scathing sentiments, because Grotius, Hammond and later the puritan pastor Richard Baxter provided the strongest and most sustained opposition against a millennarian eschatology." (Heaven and earth, p. 150)

    "Katherine Firth describes their interpretation as a "New Way," which solicited repeated responses from those who contained to follow Mede."

    "Most shocking and revolting to nearly all seventeenth-century Protestants was Grotius' denial in 1640 that the papacy was the Antichrist."


  • Hyper/Critical - From Inside: : Jason Bradfield of RCM: An Apology to the Public Regarding Full Preterism (2010)

    The online Preterist community is an embarrassment on many levels. And by "preterism", i am referring to full preterism..  i am preaching against myself as well.

    • About the only thing preterists are dogmatic on is that "Jesus already came."

    • "...if it isn't enough to make me rethink the foundations of preterism, it at least makes me want to disassociate myself from it."

    • "I have heard often that a systematic approach would "destroy" preterism. Now, because i have always been pro-systematic, i would just respond by saying, "No, that's nuts. It has to be systematized. But now i wonder, "maybe that's the can't." If you've been paying any attention at all to the discussion forums involving preterists, you will see nothing but one crazy disjointed claim after another."

    • "It's kinda like that game Jenga. 54 wood blocks are placed in a tin can, all nice and neat, to form a "tower". The can is then lifted. Each player takes a turn removing a block from the tower and then places that block on the top to balance things. Eventually, someone is going to remove a piece that topples the whole thing and thereby loses the game. Some pieces can be moved with little notice. Some blocks are more important though, upon which these seemingly less significant ones rest. But even these less significant blocks will eventually fall as well, when the foundation is constantly picked at. It's all connected.

    • Oh, we're "reforming" alright. Reforming the WHOLE kit and caboodle! Heck, we have practically toppled the whole of Christianity and are playing with a different set of blocks! And what have we constructed thus far? "Well, we know Jesus came back. That will be our foundation lets build on top of that. The rest of this stuff...well...let's just converse about it."

      • HyP Response 3: "When things like this happen, I feel--not outrage or anger, but just a profound sense of sadness and loss.  I felt the same way with Roderick, Brian, Todd, Sharon and others who have drifted from the what I understand the Scriptures to teach.  If Sam and Jason both announced tomorrow that they were returning to FULLER futurism, I would not be angry at either or them---there is a cost and a price that each of us pays in taking a stand for our convictions.  But I would feel like there had been a death in the is simply a profound sense of sadness and loss, that is the only way to describe it.  I cannot remain unaffected."

      • HyP Response 2: "His message is lost in his rhetoric. If the same message had come without the attacks on people and groups, I would have been the first one lining up to praise Jason.  Instead it came off as just another one of Jason’s rants against various people that all of us have seen and most of us have been the subject of. "

      • HyP Response 1: "What an arrogant pitty party - nothing else.  "

      • Former HyP Response: "I DO happen to agree with what he was saying because much of what he talked about is part of the reason I left full preterism too. So no, I'm not offended by what he said because it happens to be the truth. As much as I don't like to hear it, I must face up to the facts."


Eusebius "When, then, we see what was of old foretold for the nations fulfilled in our day, and when the lamentation and wailing that was predicted for the Jews, and the burning of the Temple and its utter desolation, can also be seen even now to have occurred according to the prediction, surely we must also agree that the King who was prophesied, the Christ of God, has come, since the signs of His coming have been shewn in each instance I have treated to have been clearly fulfilled."


  • Kenneth Gentry: Hyper Preterism: Its History and Heresy - An Interview with Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr. on hyper-preterism.
  • Mike Loomis Interview of John Noe ..good programming with "Preterist Idealist" John Noe. Kudos to Mike Loomis. 
    • "Some Preterists advocate an AD30 arrival, with Jesus' anointing in the Jordan River"
  • AD30 Arrival: "Crucifixion" (1834) It figures the pre-destruction of Jerusalem with its desolation to come.

Thank you for your reply. I'm sad to see that I won't be able to see where this pictures come from. If you like this picture, I could send another version of "Destruction of Jerusalem" by John Martin, the artist I'm working about.

As you cannot tell me anything about this magnificent picture. could you send me the original picture you must have? Maybe you have it in your personnal files or you know where I could find it (with a website link). I made a copy of the image you posted on your preterist website, but it's a low-resolution picture so I cannot read the names of the artists above the frame. It's the only thing that matters to me.

If you can do anything, I would appreciate it.

I thank you even though, it's kind of your to answer me back.

Have a nice week-end.


p.s.: by the way, here are the pictures of Martin that could interest you. The first one is entitled "Crucifixion" (1834) and it figures the pre-destruction of Jerusalem with its desolation to come. The second one is entitled "The Destruction of Jerusalem" and the last one is entitled "Nehemiah mourning over Jerusalem" (it's a sequel from the Jerusalem destruction). I hope you'll like it as I like it.
"Destruction of Jerusalem" by John Martin

pics sent by Dany Larrivée


  • Henry Cowles: The "Premillennial Advent of Christ" "This phrase, taken to mean that the second personal advent of Christ is premillennial, represents a system of opinions respecting yet unfulfilled prophecy, and also respecting the nature and design of the present Christian dispensation, which is widely at variance with the views presented in this and the preceding volumes on the Old Testament prophets. The somewhat extensive prevalence of these opinions and the enterprise with which they are advocated seem to demand for them a special discussion."

  • Hyper Critical - From Outside: "Preterist Heresy" is online again. Focusing on the "Preterist Heresy" line between Bible and bananas (crazy). // "Saying you are a Berean because you are a Preterist does not make you one. A Berean is not someone who has arrived, but one who continues searching and testing all things."
  • Robert Townley - Fourth of July Address:


  • Heinrich Meyer: Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (16 vo. 1832-1859) ADDED PDFs: MATTHEW | MARK - LUKE | JOHN | ACTS | ROMANS | I & II CORINTHIANS | GALATIANS | EPHESIANS | PHILIPPIANS-COLOSSIANS-PHILEMON

  • Preterist Idealism: F.B. Meyer - Joshua and the Land of Promise (1893 PDF) "There is, then, a special inner meaning in the Book of Joshua, which cannot be exhausted when we have learned from it the story of the extermination of the Canaanites ; of the partition and settlement of Canaan ; and of the noble simplicity and military exploits of Joshua.  It is impossible to suppose that so much space should have been given to the record of these, unless there had been some deep and holy purpose - similar to that which has given such minute directions for Levitical sacrifice, each of which contained some deep spiritual truth required for the growth of holy souls throughout the ages.  Of the Book of Joshua, as of the Paschal Lamb and the Passage of the Red Sea, it may be said "All these things happened unto them for ensamples."

            "What if Earth
    Be but the shadow of Heaven - and things therein
    Each to other like, more than on earth is thought!"


  • The Significance of Covenant Theology in Reformed Eschatology Because they are so used to listening to the latest dispensational prophecy seminars, most evangelicals are disappointed and baffled when they hear that the last days and most chapters of Revelation encompass the period between the two comings of Jesus Christ, and not the seven-year tribulation period.




"I now say further that the seven trumpets signify the judgments of God poured forth upon the Jews in Jewry, for refusing and persecuting the Gospel. "

  • Herbert Thorndike Study Archive - ONE OF THE ALL-TIME PRETERIST GREATS! First generation Modern Preterist, opposing the Historicist systems of Protestant England while Canon of Westminster "He asserted that the main scope and drift of the Apocalypse was to foretell the conversion of the Roman Empire to Christianity, the climax being reached with the coming of Constantine, followed by the Millennium (interpreted in a spiritual sense)" 

  • Lloyd Gaston: No stone on another (1970) "If Jesus was speaking of a concrete event, the reference can only be to Pilate's attempt to introduce Roman standards into the temple area, and accordingly the original saying must have been "when you see the ensign of sacrilege, flee to the mountain." (..the idolatrous standards of the approaching Roman army, Beasley-Murray, Jesus and the Future, pp. 255ff.  He supports his thesis by the reading of syrsin and the analysis of Merx, Das Evangelium Matthaus, 1902, pp. 341ff.  (p. 27)



  • Charles Dickens Study Archive - Was an admirer of the Hyper-Preterism of Former Full Preterist P.S. Desprez

  • HyP website "Preterist Alliance"  : Definition of "Hyper Preterism (AKA – Pantelism, Preterist Universalism, Preterist Universal Annihilationism) – The view that all things were accomplished in relation to 70AD where all or most statements of “salvation” or “eternity” relate to the quality of life for the believer, or escape from the physical/temporal judgment of 70AD.  Some of the variants of this view claim that after 70AD either all people are free from sin, including evildoers, thus sending everyone to heaven, or that there is no afterlife spoken of in the Bible, thereby causing all Biblical references to “eternity” or “salvation” to be nothing more than temporal references to life while on this planet, and future generations of living people and their quality of life.  In this view, either all people go to heaven or all people go to a non-existent state at death."


Proponents of this view teach a variety of variations of Full or Partial Preterism which the majority of Preterists reject or consider abberant.  Some of the views espoused within this framework include the following:

1.  That all things were accomplished in relation to AD70 and that the Bible contains no actual modern day application, other than general insights or historical reflection.
2.  That all or most statements of “salvation” or “eternity” in the Bible relate to the quality of life for the believer, or escape from the physical/temporal judgment of AD70, and do not deal with the afterlife in any way.  
3.  That after AD70 people are universally free from sin, including evildoers, thus sending everyone to heaven.
4.  That there is no afterlife spoken of in the Bible, thereby causing all Biblical references to “eternity” or “salvation” to be nothing more than temporal references to life while on this planet, and future generations of living people and their quality of life (called “generational salvation”). 
5.  That all conciousness ceases at physical death for all people, whether they are in Christ, or not.
6.  There is no continuation of “charismatic gifts” of any kind after AD70, nor is there any indewlling of the Holy Spirit.
7.  That the Bible is primarily a teaching tool only, good during the individual life of a believer, and for future generations of living people, and may help society as a whole in practical and tangible ways to mature and advance throughout history.

Typical proponents of these views are universalists, universal annihilationists (generational salvation proponents), pantelists, and universal cessationalists (the belief that all Spirital gifts and dwelling of the Holy Spirit has ceased).  Many Hyper Preterists also consider themselves to be liberal skeptics or scholars, proponents of higher criticism, or even open theists, modalists, new age mystics, or unitarians.  While many proponents of this view are quite similar in their beliefs to atheists, they still maintain a general belief in God and in the historical figure of Jesus Christ.




On Ludovicus de Alcazar "Combining great learning with an amiable character and uncommon generosit and charity, he was universally beloved in his native town, Seville, where he lived the greater part of his life."  (Biographical Dictionary of the Society for the diffusion of useful knowledge)



  • Andrew Perriman - Narrative-realism, Preterism, and the relevance of scripture "Can anyone help me out with a bit of theological jargon and terminology that I’m trying to get my head around? I’ve been reading a fair bit of the articles on Open Source Theology and I keep coming up against, what many of their authors call the ‘narrative-historical argument’ or the ‘narrative-realist’ approach. Andrew Perriman, one of the authors, even describes himself as doing ‘biblical theology after Christendom in a narrative-realist mode’. In reading the various articles however this narrative-realism seems to sound a whole lot like classic preterism. My question for all the budding theologians out there is what is the difference between the two (preterism and the narrative-realist approach)? Or are they pretty much the same thing – in which case this narrative-realist approach is not really all that new. Help me please…"

  • Frederic W. Farrar "Quando ? The date at which the Epistle was written cannot be fixed with precision. All that we can say is that it was certainly written before the Fall of Jerusalem, A.D. 70. This conclusion is not mainly founded on the use of the present tense in speaking of the Temple services (ix. 6, 7; x. 1, &c), because this might conceivably be due to the same figure of speech which accounts for the use of the present tense in speaking of the Jewish ministrations in Josephus, Clemens Romanus, Justin Martyr, and even in the Talmud. It is founded on the whole scope of the argument. No one who was capable of writing the Epistle to the Hebrews at all (there being no question of pseudonymity in this instance) could possibly have foregone all mention of the tremendous corroboration—nay, the absolutely demonstrative force—which had been added to his arguments by the work of God in History. The destruction of Jerusalem came as a divine comment on all the truths which are here set forth. While it in no way derogates from the permanent value of the Epistle as a possession for all time, it would have rendered superfluous its immediate aim and object. The seductions of Judaism, the temptation to apostatise to the Mosaic system, were done away with by that awful Advent which for ever closed the era of the Old Dispensation. We therefore infer that the Epistle was written when Timothy was (apparently) liberated from prison, soon after the martyrdom of St Paul, about the close of A.D. 67 or the beginning of A.D. 68."  (Epistle to the Hebrews, 29)

  • Catherine Rolfson: Lusting After The Apocalypse (2005) "Barbara Rossing is one Christian scholar who isn't afraid to admit it. "The Rapture is a racket," she accuses unapologetically in her 2004 book The Rapture Exposed. In this bold study, Rossing outlines how the theology of the Left Behind series represents a very real danger because of its promotion of ethnocentric mentalities, irresponsible environmental ethics and a militaristic political agenda in America. The most disturbing example she gives is in the realm of Middle East politics. Premillennial dispensationalists believe that the Bible names the rebuilding of Israel as a necessary precursor for Christ's return. So was born an American fundamentalist movement known as Christian Zionism, which unilaterally supports the expansion of the modern state of Israel. This alliance between Christian and Jewish Zionists is deeply ambivalent, however, as the former also believes that Christ will not return until the great suffering of Israel and the eventual conversion of his chosen people. Besides their obvious offensiveness to Jews, Rossing points out that such groups look forward to "tribulation and war in the Middle East, not peace plans."


"Christ came at the destruction of Jerusalem." Mal Couch (1997, Introductory Thoughts)


AD70 as template: "He was then on the Mount of Olives ; beneath Him there lay the metropolis of Judea, with the Temple in full sight; the towers and the walls of Jerusalem flashing back the brightness of an Oriental sky. The Redeemer knew that she was doomed, and therefore with tears He pronounced her coming fate : "The days shall come that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and shall not leave in thee one stone upon another." These words, which rang the funeral knell of Jerusalem, tell out in our ears this day a solemn lesson ; they tell us that in the history of nations, and also, it may be, in the personal history of individuals, there are three times—a time of grace, a time of blindness, and a time of judgment .  "Therefore, let us know the day of our visitation. It is not the day of refinement, nor of political liberty, nor of advancing intellect. We must go again in the old, old way; we must return to simpler manners and to a purer life. We want more faith, more love. The life of Christ and the death of Christ must be made the law of our life. Reject that, and we reject our own salvation ; and, in rejecting that, we bring on in" rapid steps, for the nation and for ourselves, the day of judgment and of ruin."

Seit der Zerstörung des jüdischen Tempels in Jerusalem durch die Römer im Jahre 70 n. Chr. leben die Juden in der Diaspora, also verteilt in aller Welt. Die Hoffnung auf einen eigenen Staat geben sie jedoch nie auf.


  • Apocalyptic Spirituality (1979) Treatises and letters of Lactantius, Adso of Montier-en-Der, Joachim of Fiore, the Franciscan spirituals, Savonarola  "The Seventh Book of the Divine Institutes of Lactantius was written at the time of Constantine's recognition of the Church. It is both a summary of early Christian beliefs about the Antichrist and the millennial age, as well as a witness to the changes brought about in Christian apocalypticism through contact with other religions."

  • Apocalypse: Ferrel Jenkins: An Introduction to the Book of Revelation (1973)

  • C. H. Spurgeon: Israel and Britain: A Note of Warning (1885) "They went so far as to crucify him, and cried as they did so, "His blood be on us, and our children," words so sadly verified when Jerusalem was destroyed, and her children slaughtered, sold as slaves, or scattered to the four corners of the earth. It was indeed, a terrible blindness which happened unto Israel. But although this blindness was a punishment for former sin, it was itself a sin. They willfully rejected the testimony of God against themselves; they refused the self-evident Christ who would so greatly have blessed them. This wilful rejection was carried out so effectually that it became impossible to convert and heal them; they could not be instructed, or reformed, and therefore they were given over to destruction. Nothing remained but to allow the Romans to burn the temple and plough the site of the city. It was a dreadful thing that they should deliberately choose destruction, and obstinately involve themselves in the most tremendous of woes. Poor Israel, we pity thee! It was sad indeed to fall from so great a height! Yet we are bound to admit that God dealt with thee justly, for thou didst choose thine own delusions. The Lord cries, "Oh that my people had harkened unto me."

  • Martin Luther: Lutheran Eschatology "We can learn from Luther that history is not redemptive and neither is technology or natural science. The problem of man is man and this problem is not solved by avoiding the issue. Luther escaped utopianism because he saw the focus of man's problem in man, not in his environment. It is his lasting contribution to have juxtaposed justification and eschatology in such a manner as to avoid both despair and illusion."

  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: Dom Prosper Guéranger: The Destruction of Jerusalem (1841) "Whilst the abominations of desolation, foretold by Daniel, was thus standing in the holy place, (St. Matt. xxiv. 15.) John of Grischala saw that the Zealots were too stupefied by the feastings to cause him any further alarm. He fell on the city, like a bird of prey, there to find the necessary provisions; and out of hatred for Simon, he destroyed by fire all he could not carry away. Simon, instead of quenching the fire, extended it in every part where John was likely to pass, hoping, by this means, to deprive the Galileans of all further victualling. Immense stores of corn and other provisions had been amassed by the Jewish leaders, as a necessary resource in case of a future siege; but all were now destroyed by these two men, who were greater enemies to their country than were the Romans themselves. Thus was spent the year 69 — a year of respite, which Rome, torn as she was by factions of her own, was compelled to allow, and which might have been of such incalculable benefit to the Jews."

  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: Thomas Paine - An Examination of the Prophecies (1807) Attempts using "Non-occurrence of Prophecy" explanations




  • Josephus Audio Files

  • Wayne Jackson - What Is the Meaning of “Shortly Come to Pass”? (2004)

  • Calibrating the Year of the 2nd Temple's Destruction Maimonides wrote in his Responsa (responsum # 389) that the date in which we traditionally reckon the 2nd Temple's destruction is the year which preceded the 380th year of the Seleucid Era, otherwise known as the Year of Alexander (a date which corresponds to anno69 CE). This means the destruction of the Temple fell out in the month of Av in 68 CE. The dating of 70 CE, on the other hand, is widely used by the Christian world to reckon the year of destruction. This treatise will prove the accuracy of the Jewish tradition.

  • David Vaughn Elliott: Nobody Left Behind (2004)

    "Nobody Left Behind" examines modern-day theories of end-time prophecies in the light of clear Bible teaching. It helps the reader distinguish truth from theory by looking at Bible verses in context. While "Nobody Left Behind" is partly a reaction to the popular "Left Behind" novels by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, it is much more than that. It offers a detailed study of the historical fulfillment of some of the most exciting prophecies in Scripture: the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple in A.D. 70, the rise of the Antichrist, and the arrival of God's kingdom on earth, among others. To the extent that "Nobody Left Behind" is a critique of the popular "Left Behind" novels, it is based on several sources. Mr. Elliott has examined the colorful fold-out chart, "A Visual Guide to the Left Behind Series," which gives LaHaye and Jenkins' brief outline of Revelation, showing where each novel of the series fits in. More importantly, Mr. Elliott carefully considered Tim LaHaye’s newest Revelation commentary, "Revelation Unveiled." This updated edition of LaHaye's commentary appeared in 1999, and it was offered, as expressed on the back cover, as "The biblical foundation for the best-selling Left Behind series." In addition, Mr. Elliott digested novel #1 of the series, "Left Behind, A Novel of the Earth’s Last Days," which introduces most of the leading characters and issues. He has also read #2 of the series, "Tribulation Force." Reading the remaining novels is unnecessary. Tim LaHaye’s Revelation commentary is a more important source for critiquing the novels than the novels themselves.

    "Nobody Left Behind" respectfully examines the claimed biblical foundation for the "Left Behind" series. This "foundation" is a view of Bible prophecy called futurism, a view which teaches that the great bulk of Bible prophecies have not yet been fulfilled but rather are awaiting fulfillment any day now. Mr. Elliott's critique is thus not just an examination of one set of novels but rather an examination of the entire view of Bible prophecy that underlies those novels.

    "Nobody Left Behind" offers 334 pages of compelling biblical and historical evidence that various "end-time" prophecies have actually already been wonderfully fulfilled. This alternative view, commonly called the historical view or historicism, was the most popular view among Bible believers for several centuries before the twentieth century. However, times have changed, and many Bible believers today are not even aware that the views set forth in the "Left Behind" series are relatively new.

    If you desire a greater understanding of God's prophetic Word, "Nobody Left Behind" is for you. If you are looking for prophecy studies that are in depth yet easy to understand, "Nobody Left Behind" is your book of choice. If you want to find out if the "Left Behind" novels are true to the Bible, "Nobody Left Behind" will offer you the facts for making your decision. If you are seeking a book on Bible prophecy that will open your eyes to historical reality all the while enriching your faith, "Nobody Left Behind: Insight into 'End-Time' Prophecies" is the book you should read.

    The book is well-documented, includes quotations from ancient Christian and Jewish writers, offers extensive Scripture and subject indexes, and contains attractive illustrations and detailed charts to aid the reader.


  • Mal Couch - Introductory Thoughts on Allegorical Interpretation and the Book of Revelation (1997) "There are many comings of Christ. Christ came in the flesh as a mediatorial Presence. Christ came at the destruction of Jerusalem.  Christ came, a spiritual Presence, when the Holy Ghost was given. Christ comes now in every signal manifestation of redeeming power. Any great reformation of morals and religion is a coming of Christ. A great revolution, like a thunderstorm, violently sweeping away evil to make way for the good, is a coming of Christ."

  • Catholic Preterism Study Archive - Pope Benedict XVI: 'The judgment announced by the Lord Jesus refers above all to the destruction of Jerusalem in the year 70.'  

  • Milton S. Terry: The Consummation of the pre-Messianic Age (1898) "Some writers find such a crisis or end in the crucifixion of Jesus, and the moment when he said, "It is finished." (tetelestai). Others say it was at the resurrection; some few designate the ascension; but many have taught that the outpouring of the Spirit on the day of Pentecost was the coming of Christ in his kingdom, the end of the old and the beginning o the new age. To all of these theories there are two insuperable objections:"

  • Latest Study Archive: Hermann Reimarus - Deist On the Return of Christ

  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: Matthew Tindal - Christianity is as Old as the Creation (1730) "If most of the Apostles, upon what Motives soever, were mistaken in a Matter of this Consequence, how can we be certain, that any One of them may not be mistaken in any other Matter ? If they were not inspir'd in what they faid in their Writings concerning the then Coming of Christ; how cou'd they be inspir'd in those Arguments they build on a Foundation far from being so ?" (p. 262)

  • John Donne's Second Sermon - Page 62 (1624) - Preached at St. Paul's, upon Easter Day, in the evening, 1624, on Revelation 20:6 (No. 19 in LXXX Sermons)

  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS / Foreign: Hugo Grotius - Annotations on the New Testament (1641-45 Latin) First Scholar of Reputation to Openly Embrace Systematic Preterist Eschatology (Fixed dead PDF link)


  • Latest Study Archive: Francis Nigel Lee: Author of The Anti-Preterist Historicism of John Calvin and the Westminster Standards (2000) "Finally Jesus then stated: "Truly, I tell you this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Matthew 24:34. It is true that "within fifty years, the city was destroyed and the temple was rased" Calvin concedes to preterism. But then he also comments, historicistically, that "the same evils were perpetrated in uninterrupted succession for many ages afterwards.... The apostles endured the same things which we see in the present day [A.D. 1555-63]. And yet, it was not the design of Christ to promise to His followers that their calamities would be terminated within a short time. For then, He would have contradicted Himself having previously warned them that the end was not yet!"  Author of: Jerusalem; Rome; Revelation - John's Apocalypse Written Before AD70  ;  Revelation Unveiled

  • Critical: David W. Roth - Knowing the Love of Christ (1998) "To deny the physical bodily resurrection of both Christ or the believer is a departure from the faith"

  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS / Foreign: James Stuart Russell - La Parusia: La Segunda Venida de Nuestro Senor (1878)

    (Revelation 20:5-10 Still Unfulfilled) "It is evident that the prediction of what is to take place at the close of a thousand years does not come within what we have ventured to call ‘apocalyptic limits.’ These limits, as we are again and again warned in the book itself, are rigidly confined within a very narrow compass; the things shown are ‘shortly to come to pass.’ It would have been an abuse of language to say that the events at the distance of a thousand years were to come to pass shortly; we are therefore compelled to regard this prediction as lying outside the apocalyptic limits altogether.

    "We must consequently regard this prediction of the loosing of Satan, and the events that follow, as still future, and therefore unfulfilled. We know of nothing recorded in history which can be adduced as in any way a probably fulfillment of this prophecy. Wetstein has hazarded the hypothesis that possibly it may symbolise the Jewish revolt under Barcochebas, in the reign of Hadrian; but the suggestion is too extravagant to be entertained for a moment."  (523)

    (Full Preterist Millennium "violent and unnatural") "Some interpreters indeed attempt to get over the difficulty by supposing that the thousand years, being a symbolic number, may represent a period of very short duration, and so bring the whole within the prescribed apocalyptic limits; but this method of interpretation appears to us so violent and unnatural that we cannot hesitate to reject it. " (p. 514)


  • Latest Study Archive: Gregory Sharpe, Chaplain to King George III -  "What then are we to understand by the LATTER Or LAST TIMES, so often mentioned in the Scriptures? Not the end of the world, but the end of the Jewish state; the times of Messiah, the fulness of time, or end of the dispensations by revelation from heaven. "


  • Latest Study Archive: Benjamin Marshall "Second Generation Modern Preterist"

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A Chronological Treatise on Daniel's Seventy Weeks

Wherein is evidently shewn the Accomplishment of the Predicted Events, As Especially Of the Cutting Off of the Messiah after the Predicted VII Weeks and LXII Weeks, according to the Express Letter of the Prophecy, and in most exact Agreement with Ptolemy's Canon ; So Also Of the Destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans, in the LXXth, or separate One Week, in the Litteral, Obvious, and Primary Sense


8/1/10: Baseball season over ; officially back in the saddle.  Winter projects include:

  • Offer books and articles in foreign languages

  • Open up the vast offline "Preterist Archive" and post from the 1Tb of materials available ; perhaps make the best stuff available on DVD or Flash Drive by Spring

  • Championing the orthodox preterist studies of Benjamin Marshall and Eusebius/Samuel Lee, while showing the limitation of ALL strictly horizontal views of prophecy.

  • Release new writings (some completed, some in progress) regarding the state of preterist studies, highlighting the line between the Bible and bananas

  • Keeping a watchful eye on the progressive work of Kurt Simmons and on Former Full Preterists, and on the particularly regressive work of Hyper Preterism.

  • Finish updating all works in the Hyper Preterism section by clearly outlining the doctrines within which are unique to that historically unorthodox view.

  • And, as always, relentless digging into other holdings (online and in libraries) for the doctrines of preterist eschatology, as exemplified throughout the generations leading up to, and following, the Cross of Jesus Christ.

7/2/10: Now Available:
The Philip Mauro Library


....Best Independent Analysis Yet...

C. Preterist Idealism 

   This system was first developed by former Full Preterist Todd Dennis, and presented at the first annual “Carlsbad Eschatology Conference” in 2007 (hosted by Kurt Simmons); though it integrates elements from Preterism and other systems.  Preterist Idealism teaches that the historical fulfillment of prophecy constitutes only the “shadows” of an eternal spiritual substance which believers obtain “in Christ.”  New Testament typology is vertical rather than horizontal; and meant to point to the higher realties of the Christian life, rather than foreshadow things to come.   Idealism relies heavily on the allegorical interpretation of prophetic texts.  The system has a small number of adherents, most of them former Full Preterists

I would point out, though, that those "outside of Christ" likewise receive the eternal spiritual reality... in their case that which is coming to the rebellious, as pointed out in the shadows of destruction   Matthew 24:2 = 21:44


  • Sam Frost: Full Preterism and the Problem of Infinity ~ Reign of Christ "I have been shamelessly accused of almost everything one can think of for breaking ranks on this issue. I follow no ranks. I am not one to insist that “no one can leave the compound!” I go where my studies and my conscience before God leads me, period. I don’t “tow the line” for anyone, any party, or ...any movement."


  • Vincent M. Krivda, Jr - Preterist-Realism #6: Dogmatism (Part 1) - Theology Explained Preterist-Realism ~ Position Paper #6 Dogmatism (Part 1) The true believer knows through the Holy Spirit’s witness that the Bible alone is the Word of God and that Truth may be formulated systemically. "



  • Chris Donato: You Will Read This (2010) "Since hyper-preterists argue that the NT posits an imminent return of Christ, they revise their understanding of the nature of this return (cataclysmic, physical, and renewal of the cosmos) in order to maintain the integrity of the NT writings (i.e., if Christ didn't return within a generation of his ascension, then the NT is fallible, etc.). Here's where Pratt's hermeneutic (outlined in the previous three posts of this series) comes in: "Even if the New Testament does predict an imminent return of Christ, intervening historical contingencies make it unnecessary that an imminent return take place" (p. 149). Indeed, a first-century expectant Israelite would know that such an imminent return was not "set in stone." Why? "

  • HISTORIE, DE-, van de deerlyke distructie ende ondergank der stad Jerusalem. Door den keyzer Verspasiaen, met veele en verscheidene geschiedenissen der Joden (1732)   "Rare early chapbook edition of the account of the destruction of the city of Jerusalem, based on "De Bello Judaico" by Flavius Josephus. The version popular in the Northern Netherlands however, entirely differs from the version popular in the Southern Netherlands, at least after 1621 when the old version was forbidden in the Southern Netherlands. After 1621 the version in the Southern Netherlands was titled "De verderffenisse of destructie van Jerusalem" and edited by the famous Flemish historian Adriaen van Meerbeeck (1563-1627). In the Northern Netherlands the old version remained in use, still unexpurgated of wild anecdotes and curious legends, like Pilatus together with the Jews defending Jerusalem, and during the siege the starved women ate their children, and gave Pilatus a quarter of each child to eat. Or the story that after the Romans had conquered the city, Pilatus was brought to trial, but all the Jews were slaughtered by the Romans who searched for gold in their stomachs. The present chapbook is one of the rarest, both in the Northern and Southern Netherlands."


Added This Review By Annals of Literature on:

18th Century Modern Preterist: The Hugely Influential George Sharpe, Chaplain to King George III and "Master" of the famed Temple Church  "he observes that the prophetic writers call the destruction of Jerusalem the great day of the Lord."


  • Army Report Says Millennialism Threaten US Foreign Policy "What an awesome report the military did and I agree with it. Neocon objectives are rooted in Zionist Christianity that this Pastor adheres to. I'd does unnecessarily risk American lives and create reckless US foreign policy. Zionism has been. Disease since before Jesus' time."


  • Jim McClarty Debates Gary DeMar's Eschatology "Pastor Jim McClarty of Grace Christian Assembly debated ideas in an interview with Gary DeMar and Jay Rogers (available on YouTube) on Bible prophecy and eschatology. Pastor McClarty makes legitimate arguments against the postmillennial view, and in return, Gary DeMar is equipped to respond to McClarty in this episode of "The Gary DeMar Show."



II. The Background of N.T. Expectation
III. Consistent Eschatology
IV. Realised Eschatology
V. Continental Demythologizing
VI. Salvation-History and the Parousia in the N.T.... See More
VII. The N.T. Insistence on the imminence of the Parousia
VIII. Did the Early church delimit its expectation of the Parousia?
IX. The early church's near Expectation of the Parousia
X. Did Jesus delimit his expectation of the Parousia?
XI. Jesus' near expectation of the Parousia
XII. The Significance of the N.T. imminent expectation of the Parousia for the life of the church today


  • Boyd Luter - Brainstorming the Apocalypse (2010) "I was asked to write a book review for the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society on a book by one of the leaders of their movement.  Then, sometime later, I was asked to write the entry on “Preterism” for the Popular Encyclopedia of Apologetics, one of the editors of which was my former colleague and friend, Ergun Caner.  Those two assignments allowed me to become conversant with the quirky claims made by extreme Preterists.

    Since that time, however, I have come to call into question one of my own ongoing assumptions (i.e., something that is not proven, just taken for granted) about the way biblical eschatology develops progressively through Scripture that, at first glance, may even sound somewhat like the Full Preterist viewpoint.  However, as you will soon see, any resemblance is just that: “first glance” and surface only.

    I still think the Full Preterist position is completely out in left field.  They have a point in their sense that (an aspect of) Christ’s “coming” is not back to earth.  They lose everything they gain, though—and a lot more—by trying to say Christ’s coming is only in judgment, in A.D. 70, and by denying a future literal Second Coming for Jesus.  Their view is a classic example of the danger of a half-truth (i.e., which is also a “half-falsehood”)


  • Detroit News: FBI Arrests End-Times Religious Militia "Sources have said the FBI was in the second day of raids around the southeastern Michigan city of Adrian that are connected to a militia group, known as the Hutaree, an Adrian-based group whose members describe themselves as Christian soldiers preparing for the arrival and battle with the anti-Christ.


  • Hyper Critical/Inside: Don Preston / Kurt Simmons Debate on "The Cross vs. AD70"

    Kurt Simmons “I repudiate all things Max King!  It is because I have learned better that we are having this discussion at all. Here are the issues of this debate: "


    • To what event does scripture attach man’s salvation, the death of Christ upon the cross, or his coming in wrath upon the Jews and Romans?   (Simmons: Cross ; Preston: AD70)

    • Was the law fulfilled and the legal efficacy of the Old Testament end at the cross, or did it remain valid and binding until the second coming?     (Simmons: Cross ; Preston: AD70)

    • Was remission of sins and fulness of grace available from and after the cross, at Pentecost when the gospel was first preached were sins remitted and washed away, or was salvation from sin postponed until Jerusalem fell?     (Simmons: Cross ; Preston: AD70)

"This is the long and short of Don’s teaching: nothing happened at the cross." / "The cross has vanished from Don’s soteriology. "

Bryan Lewis (2010) "I am among those Preterists who realize that (HyP) Preterism is absolutely not Orthodox Christianity. It is my opinion, there is no fellowship between the two now, nor has their ever been historically." (Am I a Christian?)

Unlike many of my brothers and sisters, I think we must stop trying to fit Preterism into the neat box of Orthodox Christianity, especially into the world of Creeds and Confessions. I do not see how true full preterism (Fulfilled Salvation / no future judgment of all men, No Future Coming, etc...) could ever peacefully co-exist with Orthodox Christianity. (Quoted in Heterodox Confessions of Hyperpreterists)

I've spoken to numerous preterists who agree with the legitimacy of the concept of full preterism ceasing its resource-consuming struggle for acceptance within historical "orthodox" Christianity.  // Due to the increasing dominance of the Apocalyptic Genesis view that Adam was merely the first covenant man, full preterism has been noticeably receding from normative Christianity more and more of late.  In our opinion, this is a very good thing for both full preterism and Christianity. It is also a good thing for the preterist movement, which has been humming along quite well for over 2,000 years apart from the teaching that ALL Bible prophecy was fulfilled by AD70.    As much as I admire the view for its consistency, it is obviously way outside of the lines due to the resurrection issue alone, not to mention the destruction of the devil, the end of the sin, and the myriad ill consequences of "AD70 Dispensationalism".  



  • Internal Criticism of Full Preterism Kurt Simmons: Why I have Decided to Discontinue All Association with Planet Preterist (2007)  "When I first became active in the area of eschatology, I was asked to participate as a columnist at Planet Preterist. I accepted and, for a time, enjoyed the ability to post articles there at will. However, I have since come to feel that Planet Preterist is an irresponsible forum that is used to promote unbiblical doctrines, including post-Modernism, Emergent church theology, and Universalism, to name but a few. Despite its ostensible purpose to promote Preterist interpretation of scripture, it has probably done more to injure Preterism than help it by allowing Preterism to become associated with so many unbiblical, irresponsible, and just plain "flakey" doctrines. I do not feel in good conscience that I can have my name associated with Planet Preterist as a columnist. I do not agree with what is taught or promoted there, and do not want to appear to condone it by lending it my name. This has been a difficult decision for me, but I feel it is the right one, particularly in light of the present crisis regarding Universalism. Therefore, please remove my name from the list of columnists."



  • John S. Evans The Prophecies of Daniel 2 (2008) "The position that I hold with regard to Revelation 20 puts me at odds with full preterism, which associates the "thousand years" with the forty years from AD 30 to 70. That a thousand years can be equated to a mere forty even in such to be a great challenge, and it is tempting to dismiss such an idea as patent nonsense. . . Nevertheless, it must be recognized at the outset that equating the "thousand years" to only forty years stretches the metaphorical elasticity of Revelation beyond limits of credibility for most serious students of the Bible. Furthermore, the challenge faced by FPs becomes even greater when it is recognized that their millennium" is EVEN SHORTER THAN FORTY YEARS because it begins AFTER AD30 and ENDS BEFORE AD70." (Pages 168-170)

  • DSS: Pre-Christian Preterism - The Dead Sea scrolls: Voice of Reason (2010) "One popular conspiracy theory held that the Catholic scholars who did the initial analysis of the scrolls kept their conclusion secret because it challenged the Christian faith. Mr Vermes, who was close to that research effort, finds good reason to criticise it for slowness and carelessness—but no ground to assert a conspiracy. Nor does he accept oversimplified theories that directly link the community which gave rise to the scrolls with the advent of Christianity. The manuscripts are relevant to the study of Christian beginnings, but they are not the whole story."

Did You Know that Preterist Theology is over 2,000 Years Old?  

The Olivet Discourse of Jesus and various writings among the Dead Sea Scrolls testify to the extremely old age of preterist theology.   

Christianity has long held that numerous prophecies were fulfilled at the arrival of John the Baptist and the birth of Jesus Christ (as well as in the later ministry, death, and resurrection of Jesus).  This is Historical Preterism, and is a general Christian view dating back to the time (now over 2,000 years ago) when the first witnesses began to spread the good news of the promised redemption in the birth of a son.   The more specific eschatology of historical Christian preterism was first popularized a while later in the ministry of Jesus, Who outlined numerous OT prophecies to be revealed in the Roman destruction of Jerusalem.

As old as these forms of preterism are, however, there are much earlier forms of this end times scenario to be found among the Dead Sea Scrolls.   They are Jewish counterparts to Christian preterism, all of which share the same fundamental view of prophetic fulfillment in a cataclysmic war between the Jewish State and Rome   (known as the "Romano-Judean Eschaton").

Investigation into the eschatology of the Dead Sea Scrolls has revealed a number of texts loaded with first century apocalyptic expectation.   Numerous pre-Christian writers presented roughly similar theological worldviews expecting the outbreak of the horrific events which became reality in AD70.   As the threat of Roman domination grew in the first century B.C., seers began to present an eschatology which portrayed Rome as the invader of Jerusalem.   Intense religious zeal poured out in a number of apocalyptic texts outlining the arrival of the end times:

  • 4Q397 - 399: "And we recognize that some of the blessings and curses have come, (24) those written in the Bo[ok of Mo]ses; therefore this is the End of Days"

The Roman Empire is identified as the great apocalyptic beast numerous times, using designations such as "Babylon", and "Kittim" to represent Rome.  The Romans are, at times, explicitly mentioned:

  • 1QpHab 9:4-7: "Peshru about the priests of Jerusalem.  The final (end time) ones who gather up wealth and take a cut from the spoils from the peoples and for the "Last Days" they give their wealth with spoil into the hands of The Roman army. "




  • Hyper/Regressive: Rivers of Eden - "Sound logic would demand that you be able to produce substantial evidence that such is the case, otherwise my simple assertion that only "the houses of Isreal and Judah" were the benefactors of the "new covenant" is the only plausible interpretation of Jeremiah 31:31. Jesus plainly stated that he was "sent ONLY to the lost sheep of ISRAEL" (Matthew 15:24). Are the implications of this text any less clear than those of any of the time statements? " (This view would probably be considered hyper preterism by a large percentage of HyPs)

  • Former Full Preterists: PretBlog - Another former full preterist speaks (2010) "A little more than a year ago I gradually shifted from partial preterism to full preterism, but over last summer I gradually shifted back into partial preterism, because of various difficulties I had with full preterism (most notably fitting the “thousand years” into the 40-years, and the nature of the resurrection)."

    • HyP reaction: "I wouldn't blame him for retreating to the safety of numbers while he resolves his doubts. And it certainly doesn't give more credence to the former view he held either. If he hasn't seen that the perfection of the 1,000 yrs is a period whereby the perfect number 10 is multiplied 3 times (another perfect number), to refer to a unknown period of time in which God is working all things spoken to its fulfillment, well perhaps he hasn't considered it beyond the literal scope. Such literalism does tend to create a stumbling stone that encourages blindness. Faith would help cure that for him."


  • Bejamin Netanyahu claims Ezekiel 37's Vision of "Dry Bones" Has Been Fulfilled  "Speaking on the recent 65th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi concentration camp at Auschwitz in Poland, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu proclaimed the fulfillment of the prophet Ezekiel's vision of the valley of dry bones.  Netanyahu said, "Armed with the Jewish spirit, the justice of man, and the vision of the prophets, we sprouted new branches and grew deep roots. Dry bones became covered with flesh, a spirit filled them, and they lived and stood on their own feet."


  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS/Modern Preterism:  UPDATE: Author writes to say he is a Modern Preterist!

    Alvin Miller - God Against Us: Alien Spaceman Jesus, the World Trade Center Attack and More (2010)

    • "I should note that because I take a preterist perspective, I place less emphasis on seeing the events that occurred with the First Resurrection exactly duplicated on Judgment Day. For example, Nero was clearly the Antichrist for A.D. 70, but I don’t necessarily expect to see a new Antichrist prior to the Second Coming. If forced to, one could select from many twentieth century candidates. Similarly, I don’t expect to see the coming events occurring at the actual Jerusalem this time. I predict in Chapter Four they will more likely begin in one of the advanced Western nations." 

    • "Postmillennialism is also sometimes referred to as preterism, which implies that the text is allowed to speak without exegesis. Thus, when Jesus repeatedly predicts the Kingdom within a generation, I do not write off the statement as a mistake or excess of enthusiasm. Instead, I draw up a timetable that shows the Kingdom beginning a generation after the Crucifixion. Then, when John of Patmos says the Millennium starts at this date of the beginning of the Kingdom, I duly go to my chart (at the end of this chapter) and set the Thousand Year Clock ticking. There was in fact a specific date a generation after the Crucifixion – the pivotal date of A.D. 70. This was the historical date of the Fall of Jerusalem, which is not a particularly prominent date in more mainstream discussions. This is the date of the First Resurrection in the terminology of John of Patmos that begins the Millennium."


New 18th Century Modern Preterist: The Hugely Influential George Sharpe, Chaplain to King George III and "Master" of the famed Temple Church


  • HyP website "Preterist Alliance"  : Definition of "Hyper Preterism (AKA – Pantelism, Preterist Universalism, Preterist Universal Annihilationism) – The view that all things were accomplished in relation to 70AD where all or most statements of “salvation” or “eternity” relate to the quality of life for the believer, or escape from the physical/temporal judgment of 70AD.  Some of the variants of this view claim that after 70AD either all people are free from sin, including evildoers, thus sending everyone to heaven, or that there is no afterlife spoken of in the Bible, thereby causing all Biblical references to “eternity” or “salvation” to be nothing more than temporal references to life while on this planet, and future generations of living people and their quality of life.  In this view, either all people go to heaven or all people go to a non-existent state at death."

Proponents of this view teach a variety of variations of Full or Partial Preterism which the majority of Preterists reject or consider abberant.  Some of the views espoused within this framework include the following:

1.  That all things were accomplished in relation to AD70 and that the Bible contains no actual modern day application, other than general insights or historical reflection.
2.  That all or most statements of “salvation” or “eternity” in the Bible relate to the quality of life for the believer, or escape from the physical/temporal judgment of AD70, and do not deal with the afterlife in any way.  
3.  That after AD70 people are universally free from sin, including evildoers, thus sending everyone to heaven.
4.  That there is no afterlife spoken of in the Bible, thereby causing all Biblical references to “eternity” or “salvation” to be nothing more than temporal references to life while on this planet, and future generations of living people and their quality of life (called “generational salvation”). 
5.  That all conciousness ceases at physical death for all people, whether they are in Christ, or not.
6.  There is no continuation of “charismatic gifts” of any kind after AD70, nor is there any indewlling of the Holy Spirit.
7.  That the Bible is primarily a teaching tool only, good during the individual life of a believer, and for future generations of living people, and may help society as a whole in practical and tangible ways to mature and advance throughout history.

Typical proponents of these views are universalists, universal annihilationists (generational salvation proponents), pantelists, and universal cessationalists (the belief that all Spirital gifts and dwelling of the Holy Spirit has ceased).  Many Hyper Preterists also consider themselves to be liberal skeptics or scholars, proponents of higher criticism, or even open theists, modalists, new age mystics, or unitarians.  While many proponents of this view are quite similar in their beliefs to atheists, they still maintain a general belief in God and in the historical figure of Jesus Christ.


  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: Martin Luther: A Sermon on the Destruction of Jerusalem (1525) "The Lord, however, saw deeper into the future than they when he said: 0, Jerusalem! if thou hadst known what I know, thou wouldst seek thy peace. Peace in the Scriptures means, when all things go well with us. You now think you have pleasant days, but if you knew how your enemies will encamp round about you, compass you about and hedge you in on every side, crush you to the ground and demolish all your beautiful buildings, and leave not one stone upon another; you would eagerly accept the Word, which brings to you solid peace and every blessing. [The woeful history of the destruction of Jerusalem you can read in books, from which those who wish will easily understand this Gospel.]"

  • German Books: Dr. W. Hoffman - Judea Capta ober die Belagerung und Zerstorung Jerusalems (1858 PDF) // Julius Kossarski - Titus ober die Zerstorung Jerusalems (1855 PDF) - Dramatic play


"Eichorn's Latin commentary, following a suggestion of Herder, interprets the Book of Revelation as a dramatic poem, in the style of Hebrew Apocalyptics, depicting the events of the historical fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 68-69"


  • At CZ Website: Bible Predicted Drought after Destruction of Jerusalem in AD70 "When scientists revealed in 2008 that an analysis of rings on stalagmite from a cave near Jerusalem showed the climate of the region got drier shortly after the Roman dispersion of the Jews in A.D. 70, it was no surprise to Rabbi Menachem Kohen of Brooklyn."

    "Rabbi Kohen wrote that the land suffered an unprecedented, severe and inexplicable (by anything other than supernatural explanations) drought that lasted from the first century until the 20th – a period of 1,800 years coinciding with the forced dispersion of the Jews."

    "Kohen saw the cataclysm as a miraculous fulfillment of prophecy found in the book of Deuteronomy – especially chapter 28:23-24.

    “And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.





  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: Benjamin Marshall - A Chronological Treatise upon the Seventy Weeks of Daniel (1725) Wherein is evidently shewn the Accomplishment of the Predicted Events, As Especially Of the Cutting Off of the Messiah after the Predicted VII Weeks and LXII Weeks, according to the Express Letter of the Prophecy, and in most exact Agreement with Ptolemy's Canon ; So Also Of the Destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans, in the LXXth, or separate One Week, in the Litteral, Obvious, and Primary Sense

  • Former Full Preterists: Sharon Nichols: The Greening of Eschatology (2010) An updated Review of HyP book "House Divided" from a Former Full Pret "As a Hyper-Preterist (HP), when “House Divided” was first released, I wrote a glowing review of the book and posted it on I’ve since renounced HP, removed the review from Amazon and have begun reading the two books with the “new” eyes of an Ex-Hyper-Preterist. As I began to compare one of Mr. Green’s chapter’s in “House Divided”, “If Preterism is True”, against Dr. Hill’s chapter in “WSTTB?”, “Eschatology in the Wake of Jerusalem’s Fall”, I did not get far before I discovered some issues in Mr. Green’s chapter worthy of comment."


  • Latest credible Osama bin Laden release: 1/24/10 "The Osama bin Laden audio message released to Al-Jazeera on 24 January 2010 contains specific language used by bin Laden in his statements in advance of attacks," IntelCenter said in a statement.  He warned the United States that, "God willing, our attacks against you will continue as long as you maintain your support to Israel."



  • George Wesley Buchanan: The Book of Revelation: Its Introduction and Prophecy (1993) Professor George Buchanan's methodology of intertextuality places the biblical text opposite all of its sources, so as to provide a more comprehensive study of Scripture

  • Tom Holland: Contours of Pauline Theology "Section Two – Passover and Community  Chapter 5 The Paschal Community and the Body of Sin / Chapter 6 The Paschal Community and the Eschatological Marriage / Chapter 7 The Paschal Community and Baptism


  • Samuel Lee Study Archive: LeRoy E. Froom (1946) "The projection of the Preterist view into the discussion in 1830, by Samuel Lee (1783-1852) - noted Orientalist and professor of Arabic and of Hebrew at Cambridge [One of the most profound linguists of his time and 'master of 18 languages,' he held various churchly posts and was author of numerous books], and rector of Barley, Hertfordshire (later canon of Bristol) -- brought the three post-Reformation schools of interpretation again into definite conflict -- the Historicist, Futurist, and Preterist.  Preterism had become well-nigh dominant in the rationalistic universities of Germany.  And now the noted linguist, Lee, under whom Wolff studied at Cambridge, espoused it.  His Events and Times of the Visions of Daniel and St. John, first published in 1830 (in seminal form only, TD), is strictly Preterist; that is, all the specifications of Daniel and the Apocalypse were allegedly fulfilled in the downfall of pagan Rome and the overthrow of Jewry.

"A general resume must suffice: Lee builds nearly everything around the seventy weeks of Daniel 9, not as a definite chronological term but as an indefinite period.  He makes the three and a half times of Daniel 7 coincident with the last of Daniel's seventy mystical weeks, and comprehends within it the two catastrophes - first the fall of Jerusalem and the reprobate Jewish nation, and then the heathen Roman as God's instrument for desolating Jerusalem.  So the three and a half times is the last half of Daniel's seventieth week. [1851 ed., pp. 69,70]

"In the Apocalypse the seals, trumpets, and vials are synchronous, according to Lee, and are compassed in this elastic seventieth week - the fourth seal referring to Jerusalem's fall in the middle of the week, the fifth to the pagan persecutions.   The trumpets likewise depict the fall of the Jews.  The witnesses testify in the first three and a half days of the seventieth week, and are assailed in the latter three and a half days by the heathen Roman power, the beast from the abyss.  Christ is the child of the church of Revelation 12, and the persecution of the beast of Revelation 13 is under heathen Rome, from Domitian to Diocletian inclusive.

"Thus the devil is loosed for a little season, Lee holds, as is depicted by the sixth trumpet - the hour, day , month, and year being the same as the three and a half times.  Finally, the compassing of the beloved city and the destruction of Satan and his hosts signify the fall of the pagan Roman power with the apocalyptic new heavens and earth, the Christian church after Constantine.  So the 1,000 years constitute "the apostolic period."  Such was Lee's strange and yet familiar Preterist view of prophecy, which was as yet shared by relatively few in Britain."  (Prophetic Faith of our Fathers Vol. 3, p. 596-597)


  • Walid Shoebat - An organization that cries out for the Justice of Israel and the Jewish people. "There is a new Premillennialist idea going around that anti-dispensationalists need to be aware of.   (According to this idea,) Islam is the beast."   -  Born in Bethlehem of Judea, Walid's grandfather was the Muslim chieftain of Beit Sahour-Bethlehem and a friend of Haj-Ameen Al-Husseni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and notorious friend of Adolf Hitler.


  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: Alvin Miller - God Against Us: Alien Spaceman Jesus, the World Trade Center Attack and More (2010)  Online version of 1986 booklet WEIRD ESCHATOLOGY: AN ALTERNATIVE VIEW OF THE SECOND COMING

    Haven't seen enough to judge if it should be classified as Modern Preterism or Hyper Preterism.  If you have a chance to read it, please lemme know what you think.  (UPDATE: Author writes to say he is a Modern Preterist!  yay)

    • "I should note that because I take a preterist perspective, I place less emphasis on seeing the events that occurred with the First Resurrection exactly duplicated on Judgment Day. For example, Nero was clearly the Antichrist for A.D. 70, but I don’t necessarily expect to see a new Antichrist prior to the Second Coming. If forced to, one could select from many twentieth century candidates. Similarly, I don’t expect to see the coming events occurring at the actual Jerusalem this time. I predict in Chapter Four they will more likely begin in one of the advanced Western nations." 

    • "Postmillennialism is also sometimes referred to as preterism, which implies that the text is allowed to speak without exegesis. Thus, when Jesus repeatedly predicts the Kingdom within a generation, I do not write off the statement as a mistake or excess of enthusiasm. Instead, I draw up a timetable that shows the Kingdom beginning a generation after the Crucifixion. Then, when John of Patmos says the Millennium starts at this date of the beginning of the Kingdom, I duly go to my chart (at the end of this chapter) and set the Thousand Year Clock ticking. There was in fact a specific date a generation after the Crucifixion – the pivotal date of A.D. 70. This was the historical date of the Fall of Jerusalem, which is not a particularly prominent date in more mainstream discussions. This is the date of the First Resurrection in the terminology of John of Patmos that begins the Millennium."


  • Stan Cox: A Refutation of the AD70 Doctrine, in three parts (2010) "The doctrine is not popular.  It has very few disciples.  However, those who believe this doctrine are often vocal, enthused and insistent.  In congregations of God’s people where it has gained a foothold, it has led to division and ruin.  It is worthy of our examination and refutation."

  • Josephus the Zionist - Haaretz - Israel News Josephus the Zionist -News and commentary relating to events in Israel, the occupied territories, and the world, along with an archive of past issues


  • Hyper/Regressive:  (Warning: Outside Link to HyP website) Larry's Vision for Preterism:( Admission by Full Preterist that "'Preterism" (as HyP is called within) "may sound a bit cultish" - "I believe that Preterism is the essence of what the revealed nature of God's "eternal purpose" was meant to convey and that the local expressions of Preterism (churches) will represent that essence in every aspect. While such a statement may sound a bit "cultish" the reality is that there is only one "truth" and that conflicting theological views may continue to remain within the boundaries of established "orthodoxy" none will represent the fullness and completeness of God's redemptive plan as does Preterism."  (Thank, you Larry Siegle.  It is a huge relief - and step in the right direction - to admit that there are legitimate grounds for others to believe that HyP sounds cultish. Especially in light of later rhetoric:

  • "Futurism is not okay. Churches that teach and practice doctrine that affirms futurism are not okay. Why? Because what they believe, teach and practice leads down a dark pathway of constant waiting and disappointment. It renders these churches powerless to be the expression of Christianity that God intended. It is a lie and one that rejects the Bible and therefore false. Something false to the core ought to be uprooted and cast into the fire." // "I will settle for nothing less than total victory"

  • "It is only a matter of time before believers who are convinced of the truth  (of "AD70 Dispensationalism" TD) will realize that an Internet-based "movement" is not sufficient to have a balanced theology apart from the tangible practical outgrowth in the form of a church. Nobody wants to start another denomination. However, it is impossible to accomplish certain tasks such as ordination, education, and practical ministry without an organizational framework. Within the next decade we will begin to see more people moving in this direction. History teaches that a "movement" evolves into something else eventually." (I encourage Larry and other HyPs to abandon the "denomination" idea, for everybody's good.    The "Resurrection Past" doctrine is not merely a "conflicting theological view" of established Christianity.. but, rather, it is a complete overthrow thereof.  The two cannot occupy the same space, obviously, and there will never be close fellowship between the Christian Church and such a theological enemy.  TD)


  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: Chester Charlton McCown - THE PROMISE OF HIS COMING: A Historical Interpretation and Revaluation of the Idea of the Second Advent (1921) "In A. D. 66 the inevitable happened. Pure repression without constructive statesmanship worked its customary result. Goaded by a series of tactless, incompetent, or cruel and rapacious procurators, the people put their theology to the test. The limit of endurance had been reached; God must intervene to save his people. Popular sentiment swept even many of the Pharisees into the great revolt against Rome. It would seem that the terrible defeat which the nation suffered, the destruction of the city and Temple and the cessation of the sacrifices, would have convinced the most bigoted that the political type of messianic hope was entirely mistaken. No doubt many did learn the lesson. Yet a generation later the Jews of the Diaspora rose against Rome—and were savagely punished. Again, after another short generation, under an adventurer who called himself Bar-Cochba, "son of the star," and who was hailed by the great Rabbi Akiba as messiah, there came another Jewish revolt, as bitter and as severely punished as that of 66-70."



  • Added to Facebook Page: Israeli Prof. Deciphers Earliest Hebrew Text It is the earliest known Hebrew writing, dating to David's reign in the 10th century B.C. - "This text is a social statement, relating to slaves, widows and orphans" (Text reflects Idealist Judaism)

    • "The present inscription provides social elements similar to those found in the biblical prophecies and [are] very different from the prophecies written by other cultures postulating glorification of the gods and taking care of their physical needs"

    • Prof. Galil also said the artifact proves that Hebrew was a written language as early as the 10th century B.C. and may mean that portions of the Old Testament were written centuries earlier than scholars generally believe.

    1: You shall not do [it], but worship the [Lord].
    2: Judge the sla[ve] and the wid[ow], judge the orph[an]
    3: [and] the stranger. [Pl]ead for he infant / plead for the po[or and]
    4: the widow. Rehabilitate [the poor] at the hands of the king.
    5: Protect the po[or and] the slave / [supp]ort the stranger.

  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: Robert Walker: The truth of Christianity proved from ancient prophecies (1834) CHAPTER IV. ANCIENT PROPHECIES FORETELLING THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM.  In treating of the prophecies which relate to the final destruction of Jerusalem, I would first draw the reader's attention to the 28th chapter of the hook of Deuteronomy, in which is an eminent instance of God's merciful kindness, when the prophets are commanded to declare God's judgments against the rebellious, in providing them with previous gracious promises towards the obedient, and with compassionate offers of favour and pardon to those who, although they have strayed, are willing to repent and return.


  • Preterist Scholars George Stanhope, Dean of Canterbury, Taught an "AD70 Coming" in 1705

  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: George Stanhope - A Paraphrase and Comment on the Epistles and Gospels (1705) "For this ambiguous manner our Lord's expressing himself, some of the Disciples imagined, that St. John should never die, but he found among those that shall be alive at Christ's Second Coming. Whereas, in Truth, those words of Jesus imply no such matter foretel, that that Disciple should survive the Destruction of Jerusalem ; which is probably believed to be called our Lord's Coming (as a most eminent Judgment, and instance of his Truth and Power) in sundry places of the New Testament." (A paraphrase and comment upon the Epistle and Gospels, vol. 1., p. 262)

  • Barbara Rossing: The Rapture Exposed: Hope in the Message of Revelation (2004)


  • Significance of A.D. 30: G.L. Stone - The Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy or, All true prophecy terminated in the advent of Christ and the establishment of Christianity (1855) The argument of Mr. Stone proceeds somewhat on the principles of prophetical interpretation adopted by the late Dr. Samuel Lee. Mr. Stone states that the learned Professor was more indebted to Calvin for his views than he appeared to be aware of; and that Grotius and Hammond, Bossuet and Calmet, also " immensely helped towards the same conclusion." (The Journal of Sacred Literature, Vol. II, 1856, p. 467)

  • Preterist Universalism: Max King admitted his acceptance of Universalism to Ward Fenley: "Obviously if according to Ward in his interview with Sam and Jason that Max has admitted his acceptance of Universalism to Ward face to face there is no doubt where he now stands."

    • (Full Preterist) Sam (Frost)'s view of "all in Adam" does indeed logically conclude with universal redemption. And if this is Max's view in CP (I am not saying it is or it isn't, but if it is) then it is completely understandable why it led him to universalism."


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"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia."

The (New) History of Full Preterism (Part Two) (Big .WMV File)


Significance of AD70 | AD30 | AD135 | AD312 | AD79
The Best Eschatology is a Proper Christology

Administrative: Simple Classification and Color Schemes Given to Distinguish Between Forms of Fulfillment Eschatology: 

Futurism (F) - (No Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 & Revelation in 1st C. - Types of Future Events Only)
Historical Preterism (HP) - (Minor Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation in Past)
Modern Preterism (MP) - (Major Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation in Past)

Hyper Preterism (HyP) - (Absolute Fulfillment of all Bible prophecy - Full Preterism and "Resurrection Past" Teachings; Full Preterism is systematized Hyper Preterism - All Full Preterism is Hyper Preterism, but not all Hyper Preterism is Full Preterism.) 

AD70 is awesome!  ..when used as a template of how Jesus has worked, is working, and will work.  When seen as a single working 2,000 years ago... not so much.


(AND DON'T FORGET AD 312 or 135 or 79)

Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones "Christ is fulfilling the law on the cross, and unless you interpret the cross, and Christ's death upon it, in strict terms of the fulfilling of the law you have not the scriptural view of the death upon the cross."  (Studies in the Sermon on the Mount, p. 168) / AD70 Resurrection Fundamentally Different

Kurt Simmons: Covenant Eschatology is "a dangerous system of theology"

"This is the long and short of Don’s teaching: nothing happened at the cross." / "The cross has vanished from Don’s soteriology. "
"The Cross vs. AD70"

John MacArthur (2007) “But let me tell you something, folks, as wacky as that world of Dispensational eschatology is, it is no more wacky than the interpretation of many Amillennialists whose fictional eisegesis reads everything into 70 A.D., and I’ve read that kind of stuff and it’s just as crazy.” (Millennial Manifesto Chapter 9)

Anonymous 17th Century Writer on Luke 23:31 ("For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?")   "If I myself being true and innocent must yet by ye righteous dispensation of my father suffer these things from ye Romans, What yon must your wicked citty and nation expect to suffer from ye same hands?"

Origen (248) “We do not deny, then, that the purificatory fire and the destruction of the world took place in order that evil might be swept away, and all things be renewed; for we assert that we have learned these things from the sacred books of the prophets…And anyone who likes may convict this statement of falsehood, if it be not the case that the whole Jewish nation was overthrown within one single generation after Jesus had undergone these sufferings at their hands.  For forty and two years, I think after the date of the crucifixion of Jesus, did the destruction of Jerusalem take place.” (Contra Celsum, IV, xxi-xxii; Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. IV, p. 505, 506.)

E.W Bullinger "No one can read Matt. xxiv. 30 with Rev. vi. 12-17 without seeing that they speak of the same event. The actual Advent of Christ is deferred, in Rev. vi., because it is to form a separate and special description by itself in chap. xix. The sixth Seal does not therefore include the visible appearing of the Son of man, though it is remarkable that, while (in A3) in Rev. vi. 13 we have the simile of a Fig Tree, and the sealing of the elect of Israel (vii. 1-8); so, in Matt. xxiv. 31 we have the gathering of the elect of Israel, and in verses 32, 33 we have the simile of the Fig Tree again. The Lord concludes this special prophecy of the Tribulation by adding "Verily, I say unto you, this generation shall not pass, till all these things begin to take place." Not "fulfilled." The word is (...) (genetai) from (...) (ginomai) to begin to be, to come to be,* and is quite different from (...) (pleroo), to fulfil. In Luke xxi. 32, which is the parallel passage, we have the former word, fulfilled. What the Lord really said was "this generation shall not pass till all these things begin to happen." And they did begin to take place during that very generation; for the period immediately following the Lord's death was marked by many coming and saying "I am Christ." But in order that we might clearly understand, Christ immediately adds, "The end is not yet" (Matt. xxiv. 6)."

Robert H. Gundry - “The novelty of an eschatological view requires that evidence put forward in its favor be weightier than usual since it is unlikely that saintly and learned scholars or the mass of pious Christians should for centuries have misconstrued the teaching of Scripture on so important a point as the blessed hope.  On the other hand, the antiquity of a view weighs in its favor, especially when that antiquity reaches back to the apostolic age.  For those who received their doctrine first-hand from the apostles and from those who heard them stood in a better position to judge what was apostolic doctrine than we who are many centuries removed” (The Church and The Tribulation, Zondervan Publishing, pg. 172). 

"Near" / "close" / "at hand" in the Old Testament

My righteousness is near; My salvation went out; and My arms shall judge peoples; coastlands shall wait on Me, and they shall hope on My arm. (Isa 51:5 LITV)

Vengeance and retribution belong to Me; in due time their foot will slip; for the day of their calamity is near, and the things prepared are hurrying for them. (Deu 32:35 LITV)

Alas for the day! For the day of Jehovah is at hand. And it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. (Joe 1:15 LITV)

Blow a ram's horn in Zion, and shout an alarm in My holy mountain. Let all those living in the land tremble. For the day of Jehovah approaches; it is near, (Joe 2:1 LITV)

For the day of Jehovah is near on all the nations: As you have done, it shall be done to you; your reward shall return on your head! (Oba 1:15 LITV)

Derek Daschke: City of Ruins: Mourning the Destruction of Jerusalem Through Jewish Apocalypse (2010)

Reader Comments: "Todd, awhile ago I asked you if you believed some people were still under Adam's sin and death and you said yes if they are not in Christ. This is where I draw the line between those who do not know what they are talking about." // "Thank you brother. You have so much helped me. I was stuck in full preterism for a year and was excommunicated from a reformed baptist congregation. I could see the fallacy of its view but couldn't in good conscience accept the partial view either. You have helped so much, thank you. May the Lord bless!" (10/28/10) // The Philip Mauro Library - 60 titles on one CD // The 27 Sieges of Jerusalem // Theology Explained

Philip Mauro "The apostle then proceeds to declare that, notwithstanding the seeming delay, and notwithstanding the confident assertions to the contrary of the scoffers of the last days, "the day of the Lord will come" (v. 10); and moreover he proceeds to tell how it will come, and also what will happen when it does come.     First be it observed that the apostle speaks of the coming of Christ and the coming of the day of the Lord as one and the same thing. It is utterly impossible therefore, that a period of a thousand years should intervene between the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and "the day of the Lord." This makes pre-millennialism of the current type (which is practically the same as that held by the Jew of Christ's day) an impossibility." (Hope of Israel, ch. 12)

King James I (1588) "Of all the Scriptures, the buik of the Reuelatioun is maist meit for this our last age..  Iudge yif this be not ye tyme quhairof this place that I have maide chois of doeth meane, and sa ye dew tyme for the reueiling of this prophecie." (Ane fuitfull Meditatioun contening ane plane and facill exposition of ye 7,8,9 and 10 versis of the 20 Chap. of the Reuelatioun - Edinburgh)

Christopher Love (1653)
"It was the great mistake of Origen, though hee holds for the coming of Christ againe, that he pleades for the coming of Christ in spirit, therefore the Text where it is said, you shall see the Sonne of Man coming in the Clouds of Heaven, Origen understands by the Cloudes, to bee the Saints, because it is mentioned in Scripture, that the Beleevers are a cloud of witnesses.  Now this is to pervert the whole letter of the Bible and turne all the Scripture into an Allegory and Metaphoricall sense..  I onely mention this to confute those that follow the conceit of Origen, meerly to make Christs coming to be but a spiritual coming, a coming in the hearts of Saints." (Penitent Pardoned, p. 175)-

Charles Kassel - "In no historic occurrence, perhaps, has the Christian world discovered so plainly the hand of Providence as in that tragic spectacle which has appealed so strongly to the imaginations of theologians - the destruction of Jerusalem and the burning of the Temple: a spectacle well calculated to inspire awe, in view of its appalling proportions, its dire consequences to the Israelitish people its nearness in time to the event which has cast so deep a shadow over the whole field of theologic thought - the Crucifixion!" "In the death-grapple between monotheistic Judea and polytheistic Rome all this splendor became a memory and a tale!" (The Fall of the Temple : A Study in the History of Dogma)

Charles Merivale - "The most soul-stirring struggle in all ancient history." "The overthrow of Judea, with all the monuments of ancient but still living civilization, was the greatest crime of the conquering republic.  It was commenced in wanton aggression and was effected with a barbarity of which no other example occurs in the records of civilization." (Romans Under the Empire, Vol. 7, Chapter 59, p. 251)

Philip Schaff - "history records no other instance of such obstinate resistance, such desperate bravery and contempt of death." "Thus, therefore, must one of the best Roman emperors execute the long-threatened judgment of God ; and the most learned Jew of his time describe it and thereby, without will or knowing it, bear testimony to the truth of the prophecy and the divinity of Jesus Christ, the rejection of whom brought all this and the subsequent misfortunes upon the apostate race." (History, Vol. 1, pp. 379, 397)


Lactantius - "But he also opened to them all things which were about to happen, which Peter and Paul preached at Rome ; and this preaching being written for the sake of remembrance became permanent, in which they both declared other wonderful things, and also said that it was about to come to pass, that after a short time God would send against them a king who would subdue the Jews, and level their cities to the ground, and besiege the people themselves, worn out with hunger and thirst. Then it should come to pass that they should feed on the bodies of their own children, and consume one another. Lastly that they should be taken captive, and come into the hands of their enemies, and should see their wives most cruelly harassed before their eyes, their virgins ravished and polluted, their sons torn in pieces, their little ones dashed to the ground; and lastly, everything laid waster with fire and sword, the captives banished forever from their own lands, because they had exalted over the well-beloved and most approved Son of God." (Divine Institutes, IV, 21)

Emperor Titus "God co-operates with us. -- Their miseries, by your valor and God's assistance, are multiplied. Their factions, famine, siege, and the falling of their walls without a battery, do they not manifest that God is angry with them, and assists us?" (Jewish Wars, l. vi. c. 1. 5.)

Charles Dickens (1854) "And finally, the Rev. Mr. Desprez has replied to Dr. Cummings Apocalyptic Sketches in a volume called the Apocalypse Fulfilled, remarkable for the moderation and modesty of suggestion with which the subject is treated" (Narrative of Literature and Art, p. 215)

12/2009 Sam Frost changes his Isaiah 65 theology: "With that stated, and with a now firm conviction that Isaiah 65 has been entirely fulfilled (thanks Mike, Dave), I still see no logical reason for the extension of the effects of fulfillment (and neither do they) in the here and now in terms of bettering our world, our environment, and our heritage and goverments."

Former Full Preterist Vince Krivda: Typological Illustration of My Eschatological View (2009) "I recently announced that I have supplemented my eschatological view. This is an introductory survey my view, but by no means the whole picture. I do not attempt to persuade anyone, nor endeavor to formulate a radically new system. There are many points that I have not included here. I will address them as the Lord permits over the next few months. The themes I will address as I get the time may include Covenant Theology, the curse and total depravity, definite atonement, redemption of the curse, etc. These themes among others were what prompted me to reconsider my eschatological views."

Comments: Vince K. "I would go back to FP if I am directed there by Scripture, but once the mind expanded, it can never go back to its original form. That is was true of my embrace of FP, and it is also true of my new position."


Kathleen Kenyon - "The city of Herod the Great and Herod Agrippa was brutally destroyed and devastated after the capture of Jerusalem by Titus in A.D. 70, and its ruins still further overturned by the Hadrianic building operations of the second century A.D. Our excavations have shown that with the exception of a few of the public buildings, quite literally scarcely one stone stands on another." ("Digging Up Jerusalem" London: Ernest Benn, 1974) pp. 236-37.


New 18th Century Modern Preterist: The Hugely Influential Gregory Sharpe, Chaplain to King George III and "Master" of the famed Temple Church


 Samuel Taylor Coleridge

George Ripley on Samuel Taylor Coleridge - "He also conceived an epic poem on the destruction of Jerusalem, a subject which would interest all Christendom as the siege of Troy interested Greece." ("The American Cyclopaedia") : Coleridge: "I Have already told you that in my opinion the destruction of Jerusalem is the only subject now left for an epic poem of the highest kind. Yet, with all its great capabilities, it has this one grand defect—that, whereas a poem, to be epic, must have a personal interest,—in the destruction of Jerusalem no genius or skill could possibly preserve the interest for the hero from being merged in the interest for the event. The fact is, the event itself is too sublime and overwhelming." (September 4, 1833.)

Progressive Eschatology: "English Christians burning churches, defacing tombs and graves of the death, destroying the monuments of Christianity, and in fine cutting the throats of English Christians, all the while that they were ruining the whore of Babel, and cutting antichrist's throat." - Herbert Thorndike, first generation Modern Preterist, opposing the Historicist systems of Protestant England - "He asserted that the main scope and drift of the Apocalypse was to foretell the conversion of the Roman Empire to Christianity, the climax being reached with the coming of Constantine, followed by the Millennium (interpreted in a spiritual sense)" David Brady

Moses Stuart, the Father of Biblical Science in America: "The fact is, that our Saviour had frequently and solemnly admonished his disciples respecting such a war, and plainly and definitely predicted the issue of the contest, Matt. xxiv. At the same time, he had strictly charged them to flee from the country, whenever the Roman invasion should take place. Can there be any reasonable doubt that Christian in general obeyed this injunction? On every ground we may presume that this was speedily done, after Vespasian had marched his overwhelming army into the region of Galilee, early in the Spring of A.D. 67." (Apocalypse, 2nd th., p. 487)

Cornelius A. Lapide "But," continues Cornelius a Lapide, "Alcazar (a very celebrated interpreter) in his method refers this passage to the Primitive Church : hence by the man-child he understands the Roman Church. ' Romano enim Pontifici data est a Christo VIRGA FERREA, qua regat omnes gentes Christianismo subditas.'"

Was Flavius Josephus Familiar with the Apocalypse of John?   “it so happened that the sedition at Jerusalem was revived, and parted into three factions, and that one faction fought against the other; which partition in such evil cases may be said to be a good thing, and the effect of divine justice.”

Dr. Mal Couch "How can the covenant allegorists and preterist guys be so foolish as to deny the obvious! It is clear that one of the key components of the Abrahamic covenant is the promise of the "Land of Israel" in perpetuity!"  (Biblical Connection)

"The truth is, if the different comings of Christ are distinguished, as they ought to be, we shall find, that the apostles have spoken of each of them according to truth ; and that the opinion which infidels are so eager in maintaining, and which some Christians have unadvisedly espoused, to the great discredit of the inspiration of the apostles, as if they believed the day of judgment was to happen in their lifetime, hath not the least foundation in Scripture." James MacKnight

N.T. Wright "The church expected certain events to happen within a generation, and happen they did, though there must have been moments between AD30 and AD70 when some wondered if they would, and in consequence took up the Jewish language of delay.  Jerusalem fell; the good news of Jesus, and the kingdom of Israel’s god was announced in Rome, as well as in Jerusalem and Athens.  But there is no sign of dismay, in any literature that has come down to us from the periord after AD70, at the fact that Jesus himself had still not returned.  Clement looks forward to the return of Jesus himself without any comment on timing.  Ignatius is worried about many things but not that.  Justin Martyr in the middle of the second century is as emphatic as anyone that the event will happen." (New Testament and People of God, pg. 463)

Rabbi Ari Enkin  "It is customary recite a preliminary chapter of Tehillim before reciting the birkat hamazon after meals. On weekdays, the general custom is to recite chapter 137, "Al Naharot Bavel", which is intended to remind us of the destruction of Jerusalem and the current exile. The Zohar states that one who derives pleasure from bread and enjoys the taste of foods is required to remember the Holy Land and the Beit Hamikdash after every meal.   On Shabbat, and other festive days when such sobering thoughts are not appropriate, chapter 126, "Shir Hama'alot", is recited instead which speaks about the future redemption.  Some also recite "Shir Hama'alot" when in the presence of a special guest. These Tehillim should be recited before washing one's hands at the end of the meal ("mayim achronim")."

Eusebius on Rome as "Babylon" "Clement in the eighth book of his Hypotyposes gives this account, and with him agrees the bishop of Hierapolis named Papias. And Peter makes mention of Mark in his first epistle which they say that he wrote in Rome itself, as is indicated by him, when he calls the city, by a figure, Babylon, as he does in the following words: "The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, greets you; and so does Mark my son."  Ecclesiastical History 2.15.1-2)

"It is no exaggeration to say that the Fall of Jerusalem is the most significant national event in the history of the world."  B.F. Dunelm, p.9

Origen on the coming of Christ: "He comes every day with great power to the mind of the believer in the clouds of prophecy, that is, in the Scriptures of the Prophets and the Apostles, who utter the word of God with a meaning above human nature. Also we say that to those who understand He comes with great glory, and that this is the mole seen in the second coming of the Word which is to the perfect. And so it may be, that all which the three Evangelists have said concerning Christ's coming, if carefully compared together and thoroughly examined would be found to apply to His continual daily coming in His body, which is the Church, of which coming He said in another place, Hereafter shall you see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of the power of God, and coming in the clouds of heaven, excepting those places in which He promises that His last coming in His own person." (Aquinas Catena Matt. 24:30)

"Our purpose in editing the texts has been to present all the decrees of the councils and only the decrees. For this reason some very important texts have had to be omitted, for example the anathemas against Origen formerly attributed (erroneously) to Constantinople II, or the charges on which pope Honorius was condemned (as these relate to the acts, not the decrees, of Constantinople III), or the profession of faith of pope Hormisdas which was a condition of admittance required of the council fathers at Constantinople IV, but does not appear to have been formally approved by the council." (Decrees of the ecumenical councils, 1990)

Roger Pearse "Now I was under the impression, rightly or wrongly, that the Council of Constantinople held by Justinian had condemned Origenism, and perhaps anathematised Origen himself, depending on some text-critical questions.  To pronounce a man anathema 300 years after he died in the peace of the church, and died moreover from the effects of torture in confessing Christ, would be morally wrong of course."


MoGrace2u "TODAY is the day of salvation. Judgment comes at the end of this life for those who fail to avail themselves beforehand of what will save them from perdition - in that day when they bow before the Lord. A real warning and a real hope gives a man a real choice to make - now. Because now there is grace and mercy and forgiveness and no condemnation to face for those who call upon the Lord."

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Ken Gentry "I would also point out that I have re-titled the Appendix on hyper-preterism in that I greatly expand my critique in order to include exegetical as well as theological concerns regarding this aberrant movement. Though this heterodox movement continues to grow, signs are appearing that it may be coming apart at the seams. Their continual patching of new material on the old garment is making matters worse. I hope to loosen a few of its threads myself. "

Justin Martyr: "You know very well that Jerusalem was laid waste just as it was prophesied.  That it would be destroyed, and no one allowed to live there, was promised through the prophet Isaiah in this way: "Your land is desolate."   Indeed you are aware that it is guarded and no one is in it." (First Apology, 47.4-6)

Alexander Tilloch: "The commentator Arethas, who quotes Irenaeus' opinion, does not follow it.  In his explanation of the sixth seal he applies it to the destruction of Jerusalem ; and he does so expressly on the authority of preceding interpreters." (Dissertations introductory to the study and right understanding of the Apocalypse. p. 9)

Eusebius on Sunday worship: "Wherefore, being rejected of them [the Jews], the Word [Christ] by the new covenant translated and transferred the feast of the Sabbath to the dawn of light, and handed down to us a likeness of the true rest: the saving and Lord’s and first day of light.” (Commentary on the Psalms, Ps. 91 (Ps. 92 in A. V.), in J. P. Migne, Patrologia Graeca, Vol. 23, col. 1169, author’s translation.)

  • (On Psalm 45:6/xlvi. 5) “I think that the Psalmist describes the morning assemblies in which we are accustomed to convene throughout the world;”

    (On Psalm 58:17/lix. 16) “By this is prophetically signified the service which is performed very early and every morning of the resurrection-day throughout the whole world.” (Comm., in Montfaucon’s Collectio Nova Patrum, pp. 85, 195, 272.)

St. Irenaeus of Lyons (On "the end of the times" as fulfilled) "This then is the order of the rule of our faith, and the foundation of the building, and the stability of our conversation: God, the Father, not made, not material, invisible; one God, the creator of all things: this is the first point of our faith. The second point is: The Word of God, Son of God, Christ Jesus our Lord, who was manifested to the prophets according to the form of their prophesying and according to the method of the dispensation of the Father: through whom all things were made; who also at the end of the times, to complete and gather up all things, was made man among men, visible and tangible, in order to abolish death and show forth life and produce a community of union between God and man. And the third point is: The Holy Spirit, through whom the prophets prophesied, and the fathers learned the things of God, and the righteous were led forth into the way of righteousness; and who in the end of the times was poured out in a new way upon mankind in all the earth, renewing man unto God.." //  "To them that believe He is as Father, for in the end of the times He opened up the covenant of adoption; but to the Jews as Lord and Lawgiver, for in the intermediate times, when man forgat God and departed and revolted from Him, He brought them into subjection by the Law, that they might learn that they had for Lord the maker and creator, who also gives the breath of life, and whom we ought to worship day and night: and to the Gentiles as maker and creator and almighty: and to all alike sustainer and nourisher and king and judge; for none shall escape and be delivered from His judgment, neither Jew nor Gentile, nor believer that has sinned, nor angel: but they who now reject His goodness shall know His power in judgment, according to that which the blessed apostle says: Not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance; but according to thy hardness and impenitent heart thou treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and of the revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who shall render to every man according to his works." (The Proof of Apostolic Preaching, p. 76-77)

Dollinger "Thus, after a siege unparalleled in the history of war, fell this noble city, the beloved Jerusalem, after it had flourished, under the protection of Heaven, more than two thousand years. The miserable citizens, who had not been carried away in chains, or crucified around the walls of Jerusalem, wandered forlorn over their once happy land. Their descendants, after a vain attempt, in the reign of Adrian, to rebuild their city, were scattered amongst the nations of the earth, where their children may, to this day, be seen, distinct from the nations with whom they live. The seat of the Jewish religion had fallen; the city of sacrifice had been destroyed; that implacable enemy of Christ, the sanhedrim, had been annihilated; it had become evident, even to the most darkened eye, that the time had arrived, in which the Church should spring forth, as the young plant, from the dead seed of Judaism, and should, in a short time, become the vast tree, spreading its branches over the whole earth."

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  • Burlington, J.N. "Destruction of Jerusalem" - 1807.

  • Butt, John Martin - The Revelation of St. John compared with itself, and the rest of Scripture ; The Divinity of the Apocalypse demonstrated by its fulfillment.

  • Clarke, Richard - A Discourse on the third day of the Gospel, compared with the seventh day of the Law.  London 1794

  • Clericus, Joan.  Veteris Testamenti Prophetae ab Esaia ad Malachiam usque, ex translatione Joannis Clerici ; cum ejusdem commentario philologico &c. Amst. 1731

  • Cocceius, Joh. Prof. of Hebrew at Leyden.  Comm. in prophetica Jeremiae et Ezekielis Amst. 1669.

  • Collyer, Wm. Bengo, D.D. - Lectures on Scripture Prophecy. London 1811

  • Corrodi, Heinrich - A critical history of Chiliasm, or opinions respeecting the millennial reign of Christ. Zurich - First published anonymously in 1781.

  • Eichorn, Joh. Godf. - Commentarius in Apocalypsin Johannis.  Gotting. 1791.

  • Faber, George Stanley. The Sacred Calendar of Prophecy. London 1828 (In this work, which is the last of Mr. Faber's of any importance, he abandons much of the interpretation which he had previously published)

  • Fehr, Sam. Benj. - An introduction to the right understanding and use of the Revelation of St. John (or rather of Jesus Christ) ; and as to what relates to the past, sufficiently illustrated from ecclesiastical and secular history.  (Ger.) Altenburg, 1761.

  • Greenhill, Jos. A.M. Rector of East Horsley - An Essay on the prophecies of the New Testament which relate to the destruction of Jerusalem. Lodon. 1755.

  • Grotius, Hugo - Comm. ad loca quaedam Novi Test. Quae de Antichristo agunt aut agere putantur.  Amst. 1640.

  • Lee, Samuel - Sermons and Dissertations. | Six sermons on the study of Holy Scriptures, their nature, interpretation, and some of their most important doctrines

  • Park, J.R. ; M.D. - An amicable controversy with a Jewish Rabbi on the Messiah's coming. 1832. ; A new exposition of the Apocalypse, so far as the prophecies are fulfilled ; to which are prefixed the history of Christianity epitomised. 1834.

  • Rainolds, John D.D. - A discourse on the destructio nof the Idumeans. 1584

  • Stockwood, John - A Sermon on the Destruction of Ierusalem - Printed by Tho. Dawson, 1584

  • Whiston, William - The Accomplishment of Scripture prophecies

Books you can find in the Certain Evangelical Bookstores:

  • R.C. Sproul, The Last Days According to Jesus (Grand Rapids, Baker Book House)

  • Hank Hanegraaf, The Last Disciple (Wheaton: Tyndale) (This is historical fiction)

  • __. The Last Sacrifice (Wheaton: Tyndale) (This is historical fiction)

  • __. The Apocalypse Code (Nashville: Thomas Nelson)

  • Gary Demar, Last Days Madness (Atlanta: American Vision)

  • __. End Times Fiction (Nashville: Thomas Nelson)

  • Loraine Boettner, The Millennium (Philipsburg: P&R)

  • Kim Riddlebarge, The Case for Amillennialism (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House)

  • Herman Ridderbos, The Coming of the Kingdom (Philipsburg: P&R)

James Stuart Russell

  • The Parousia (1878)

    Full Preterist Millennium "violent and unnatural" "Some interpreters indeed attempt to get over the difficulty by supposing that the thousand years, being a symbolic number, may represent a period of very short duration, and so bring the whole within the prescribed apocalyptic limits; but this method of interpretation appears to us so violent and unnatural that we cannot hesitate to reject it. " (p. 514)

    Revelation 20:5-10 Still Unfulfilled "We must consequently regard this prediction of the loosing of Satan, and the events that follow, as still future, and therefore unfulfilled." (p. 523)


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