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Matthew 26:64 is NOT a "Preterist Time Indicator" Pointing to AD70 "In short, the usage of "Apo Arti" in Matthew 26:64 [Apo ("from" - Strongs 575) and Arti ("now on" - Strong's 737)] is highly suggestive of the themes that have been previously offered at this blog ; that is, a series of revelatory recognitions of the power and glory of Jesus Christ's dominance by friend and foe alike. Though the typically pret-friendly Weymouth translation would like to make Jesus say "later on, you will see.." this is not really honest. I would rather say that it was simply a mistake, but I find it impossible to believe that neither Richard Francis Weymouth ("If this belief ever obtains general acceptance the earlier date of the Apocalypse will also be regarded as fully established. For it will then be seen that the book describes beforehand events which took place in 70 A.D.") nor Earnest Hampden-Cook (co-editor and author of "The Christ Has Come") were aware of how important (ironically) a futurist spin on this passage is to uphold their Preterist assumptions. However, not only is there no sense of futurity in this very emphatic Greek phrase, but rather we see quite the opposite.
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Subject: THE DOCTRINAL DEPOT &
PRETERIST ARCHIVE
Web Site: HTTP://www.PreteristArchive.com
To the monthly readers of Quest, we have changed our format this month to introduce you to our web site and to the pastor who made our participation in this media possible.
Our ministry had our first contact with Pastor Todd Dennis through a phone call. The good pastor had seen copies of our newsletter and questioned why we were not on the Internet. Our ministry had been considering designing our own "page" but found the cost a bit prohibitive. Pastor Todd invited us to climb on board his Internet Train and we have been on-line ever since.
As we have gotten to know Pastor Todd from his writings, we have come to appreciate his talent, his knowledge, and his Christian spirit.
Recently, we posed several questions to him in an effort to get to know him better. We share this interview with you.
How did you become interested in fulfilled eschatology? Describe your feelings when you first heard about it and how long after you heard, did it become biblical truth for you?
Becoming interested in fulfilled eschatology came as a result of a continual stream of studies that began, in earnest, while a student at a dispensationalist college. Initial studies were fueled by a great number of doctrinal questions that were not answered by the system of doctrine being taught, nor by those sincere people teaching it. Questions continued to pile up unanswered. My dissatisfaction with the system itself grew.
Interestingly, an introduction to the Christian Identity movement [while going to a Dispensationalist college] helped me identify the great errors of the Dispensational system. And it was while studying the Identity doctrine that I received the refutation of both it and dispensationalism in the carnalizing of spiritual/eternal passages.
Several passages became very clear under the light of a non-carnal nation of Israel:
Gal. 4:22-26 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. This is an allegory: for these women are two covenants, one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother.
II Cor. 4:18 while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.
I Cor 15:46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
The doctrine of the Church/Israel relationship, as well as the nature of Christ's kingdom and His kingship became evident to me in this light.
In the midst of such studies, I was still a Futurist. There were still many points that were hard to be understood, most notably such verses as Galatians 5:5 and 1 Peter 4:13. These verses implied that the promises of salvation and redemption were yet future to the writers and only to be revealed with Christ.
It was then that my studies began on the history of the Christian Church, which led me to the Works of Josephus. His historical writings confirmed that which was written in Scripture relative to the fulfillment of portions of Matthew 24.
Still "holding out" on the coming of Christ, however, and never coming to an explanation of time-frame verses, I promised the Lord to continue my studies. It was then that recognition of my erroneous futurist presuppositions sank in. [Sensing the impending victory..] Wanting an unbiased, Holy Spirit-led perspective to Scripture I determined to study no book save the Scriptures -- allowing the Bible to simply interpret itself. Studies lead to Acts 3:19-21 Repent, therefore, and return, that your sins may wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you; whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.
It became clear that the judgment occurred in that generation, and that the New Heavens and Earth were directly related to the New Covenant. I was free from the chains of demanding the Scripture mean something other than what it said. What liberty!
Throughout my studies, I always had supreme confidence that God did not will me to be ignorant of His Word. I was able to faithfully pursue as He enlightened my mind. Being a pastor during this time of study, increased the potential for meltdowns of frustration. I was leading my dispensationalist! futurist church down the path behind me. I began a practice of preaching my previous week's study which could be proven from Scripture, and with which I had peace. There were three times when I was still working on my doctrinal message late into Saturday night before preaching it the next morning. God was faithful to give me the wisdom that I needed and for which I prayed. The revelation I received in my study was as if a light bulb had been switched on.
The most pleasing and rewarding part of the studies was a closer walk with God -- we can have all doctrine but if we do not have charity and true love, it serves little purpose. In fact, I cherish the walk with God I gained through the studies much more than the result of the studies themselves. He never, never failed me.... of, course!
In all, my transition from Futurist to Preterist lasted for 36 months until the entire church assembly publicly stood behind my the Preterist position.
Pastor, can you describe your church and the type of service you offer?
The assembly here is called Antioch Baptist Church. It is a small congregation as a result of splits regarding other doctrinal convictions. In 1985, we were an assembly of over 250. It was then that the 501c3 church corporation followed the Lord out of a corporate, contractual status with the State and stood solely under the authority and headship of Jesus Christ. First the lawyers left, then the doctors, and all the influentia. Various parents were put in jail for their placing their children in the assembly's unlicensed Christian school.. and then more left.
The pruning can be good and profitable when people leave on doctrinal grounds. In all, over 200 people left. Since then, the assembly has grown stronger and closer to each other. In spite of the small size, we have three publishing related ministries: PreteristArchive.com/Doctrinal Depot, New Heavens Printing and Publishing, and my evangelical ministry to other States. I was in Fairbanks, Alaska in June, and will be in Bismarck on July 22 and in Indianapolis in October.
Our service on Wednesday evening includes a Bible study and a prayer service at 7:00 P.M. On Sunday morning our preaching service begins at 10:00 A.M. which is typically doctrinal teaching, e.g. the nature of the Resurrection and other doctrinal - applications of Fulfilled Eschatology. The 6:00 evening service focuses upon the life application of Scriptures.
Please provide information on your Internet work including home page address, articles you are interested in receiving and other pertinent information.
After setting up The Doctrinal Depot on the Internet, others who see the Scriptures from the preterist perspective found me. I am meeting many, many more.
The Internet site was born out of a desire to put the spectrum of my personal doctrinal belief (unregistered church, Baptistic line of believers/martyrs, autonomous local church, full preterist, proper relationship with civil government) on-line and to show others my study of the Scriptures. The Josephus Archive was the first big addition to the site. It was to be the cornerstone.
When given the opportunity to expand beyond 2 Mb [9/11/2002-280Mb], I created "Dispensational Dementia," "Mistaken Identity," and the Preterist Archive.
I am interested in publishing any articles people may wish to submit, provided they do not deny the fundamental doctrines of the Bible. I would love to see more people involved in international ministries. Fulfilled Eschatology materials are scant. We have an opportunity to make an impact that will last for centuries. The opportunities on-line are unparalleled in the history of Christian teaching!
Pastor Todd Dennis
Antioch Baptist Church
1100 East Avenue B Bismarck, North Dakota 58501
(P.O. Box 71154 Fairbanks AK 99707)
Preaching the patriot gospel
The Freemen standoff in Montana cast a glaring spotlight on the Christian Patriot movement's expansion into constitutional issues and common law courts. As television screens flashed the faces of hatred in living rooms across the country, Christian Patriot leaders mobilized like a motley Madison Avenue team to solve the public relations nightmare.
On camera, Colorado Sen. Charlie Duke fumed that the Freemen were counterfeit patriots and praised the patience of Federal Bureau of Investigation agents. On the Internet, Christian Patriot leaders cranked out position papers distinguishing the constitutionalist movement from the Freeman's Christian Identity-spun common law edicts. The goal was to distance themselves from the Freemen, a challenge, considering that the Montana renegades began as an embryonic cell within their movement.
It's too soon to judge their success. However, the Christian Patriots appear to be maintaining momentum as a political and spiritual movement to restore Christian values and to fight the satanic forces guiding government toward a tyrannical New World Order. The movement's common law courts, deemed necessary by its adherents to circumvent the tainted judicial system, vow allegiance to "God's law" — not man-made laws created under the influence of the Antichrist.
"Salvation" conferences and classes are taking place in fields, community centers and churches across the country. Nearly a thousand Patriots braved a chilling mist and muddy field to warmly embrace words of wisdom from speakers under a half-dozen tents at the Mid-America Constitution Conference America '96 rally east of Kansas City this past June.
The heartland speeches wove one theme: receive Jesus Christ, reaffirm America as "God's promised land" and reclaim the Christian principles of our forefathers. The reward: Salvation.
As the wind howled through tent number one, Richard Boyden, identified as the conference chaplain, presented "God's Alternative to One World Government." Boyden hosts a radio show and ministers to a small religious sect that integrates Mormon beliefs with Christianity and Native American spiritualism in Independence, Missouri. Wearing an Indian-styled bolo tie over a brown shirt, he declared that thousands of years before Native Americans inhabited this country, Jesus Christ surveyed the territory and God sprinkled ocean water on it, anointing America as the "promised land."
Citing Bible verses in Genesis and Deuteronomy that describe the size of the "promised land," Boyden noted that "200 square miles" is much larger than Israel and concluded that God was referring to the heartland. As the rapture draws near, he predicted "the Lord's presence will be established here... and will spread out to all the land."
If minority races and Jews accept Jesus Christ as their savior, Boyden said that they, too, can be spared the doom of hell in the "end times." He envisions a red ring encircling the chosen people, protecting them from worries about the Federal Reserve, the Illuminati, Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, outcome-based education, Internal Revenue Service, and the New World Order.
"There's gonna be a car factory inside the ring because people are gonna need cars, yes sir!" Boyden proclaimed. "God will remove the curse from the ground and food will grow. So what if (the federal government) turns off the water, turns off our electricity. You can just pray for the lights to stay on."
If Americans fail to return the country to God's law, Boyden warned, "we'll all get nailed with the mark of the beast" or the satanic system of the "New World Order." (He was referring to Revelation 13:18, which describes the "mark of the beast" as "600, three score and six" on hearts and foreheads of those who are the devil's advocates. The movement also equates the "mark of the beast" with the federal government.)
The "devil and his angels are down here now furthering one world government," Boyden said, offering proof in a message left on his telephone answering machine. "My name is Mephistopheles. I am the sixth demon down from Satan. I've come to collect what you owe." Boyden repeats the message twice and claims it is from one of Satan's 12 apostles on a "mark of the beast" mission.
None of the thousand constitutional "scholars" feared the "mark of the beast" at this conference. All right hands were stamped with the international bar symbol for "no" over the letters "beast."
Boyden's spirited words fell on mostly "Wonder Bread" Christian males, a few wearing "Missouri 51 Militia" black T-shirts emblazoned with a "Don't tread on me" striking rattler and one man wearing a shirt that read, "Hallelujah means Praise you, Yahweh." The audience was sparsely populated with WASP women, two Jews, and an African American couple. Native Americans and African Americans had a higher profile at the concessions selling Indian bread and barbecue lunches, respectively.
Under tent number three, Jerry Hughes, radio talk show host on People's Radio Network, held court, looking sweaty and slovenly sprawled out on a folding chair. "We are not free," he grumbled. "You have to understand that first."
The verbose talk show host asserted that the Bill of Rights has been eroded, particularly the Second Amendment concerning the right to bear arms and form citizen militias. He ticked off the worst culprits as apathetic citizens, the media, and "psychobabbling individuals in Washington" like President Bill Clinton, Republican presidential contender Bob Dole, House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Congressman Charles Schumer of New York.
"None are as powerful as God," declared Hughes. "God will empower the people to put an end to the New World Order ... (because) this nation was founded on the Holy Bible." At the core of the Christian Patriot's crusade is the belief that our Christian forefathers received divine inspiration from God and the Bible when they created the U.S. Constitution.
"People who don't understand the Constitution are dumber than dirt," spat Hughes, launching a tirade against elected officials who lay one hand on the Bible and swear an oath to uphold the state constitution or U.S. Constitution when they haven't read either one. "They're lying sons of guns and they need to be thrown out on their ears," he bellowed over the sound of thunderous applause. "I don't know how vengeful God is, but if I were him and some sucker lied to me, I'd lop off his head. I guarantee you I'd kick that sucker between here and the toilet, and I'd zap him with a lightening bolt so big he (wouldn't) know what happened."
Violating the oath of office is a crime worthy of capital punishment, Hughes said, launching into a history lesson. "Let me tell you what they used to do back in the good old days. They hung them, they hung them until such time they passed out. Then they took them down and revived them. Then they shot them. Then they quartered their bodies and they chopped them into small pieces and they scattered them over the countryside ... because they didn't want anyone to find a piece of the treasonous, traitorous son of a gun who had sworn an oath to God and the American people and had gone back on it."
This jaw-dropping description of justice echoes posse comitatus tenets that called for hanging those convicted of crimes, from murder to treason (including failure to uphold the oath of office) at a public site. The punishment has been incorporated in common law courts that are now established in more than 40 states.
Hughes said the point is not punishment, but finding "good and righteous people to run for political office" even though it is "the most sorry, lowest, most dirty occupation." In his mind, a true Christian candidate for political office is like a missionary saving wicked souls. "I don't know that the Lord went into the finest places to do good works. Seems like he was after the drunkards, the beasts, the prostitutes and such. Just kind of reminiscent of politics, isn't it?"
Under tent number two, Eugene Schroder announced that the Colorado Legislative Executive Committee approved a summer interim panel to evaluate the "findings of fact" delivered by the state Common Law Grand Jury Assembly in August 1995. The common law assembly found state officials guilty of operating unconstitutionally and demanded they show just cause. The verdict was based on the assertion that the country has never entirely rescinded acts that expanded presidential powers to see the nation through the Great Depression. States granted mirror powers to governors.
"In Colorado, we're trying hard to set an example for our sister states," said Schroder, founder of the American Agriculture Movement and activist in United Sovereigns of America. During the Freemen negotiations in May, Schroder and Senator Duke feared negative publicity would jeopardize approval of the pending legislative interim committee. Successful, they now hope the legislative committee lends credibility to the movement and sets a precedent of petition for redress of grievances in other states.
Schroder expressed concerns about hotheaded extremists filing false liens, physically threatening officials, and declaring secession from the union, a move in Texas that recently landed a few patriots in jail. It's palatable talk for a man who once led an armed farmers revolt, was linked to the posse comitatus and, according to The Denver Post, taught a class on bomb making (a charge he adamantly denies).
"It's better to petition the government, not secede, and stay all together," said Schroder, who believes the Civil War might have been avoided if the South had worked the system rather than seceding from the Union. Asked if the country is destined for another revolution, he responded, "Nobody wins a war. Don't kid yourself. We'll all lose."
Yet, common law activists continue to file declarations of "sovereign citizenship" with county clerks, rejecting laws that demand tax payments and licenses to operate vehicles, carry weapons, and marry. They equate Social Security numbers with the "mark of the beast" and believe that birth certificates relinquish parental rights to the government.
The common law court avenue coalesces Christian Right and Christian Identity members. "While there are differences between the Christian Right and Christian Identity, there is not a solid wall," said Leonard Zeskind, former research director for the Center for Democratic Renewal. "It is a semipermeable membrane."
For example, Christian Identity devotees are the self-described chosen tribe of Israel, Christian Patriots claim to be God's chosen people; both extol America as "the promised land" and condemn the evil conspiracy to create a one world government, also known as the New World Order.
The Montana Freemen's brand of common law justice intones Christian Identity, a racist and anti-Semitic religious doctrine that cites Bible scriptures to justify slaughtering homosexuals, minorities, and Jews, and to deny voting privileges to women and ethnic immigrants. Christian Patriot leaders assert that they are more compassionate, neither demanding death for homosexuals nor discriminating against Jews and ethnic citizens.
Both base their common law court systems on the Magna Carta, English common law, and the Constitution of the United States, including the Bill of Rights. Refusal to recognize subsequent amendments to the Constitution creates a first-class inherited citizenship status for white Christian males, and effectively reduces women and ethnic immigrants to second-class citizens, without voting and civil rights.
Like the Freemen, Christian Patriots demand obedience to "God's Law" and curse man-made law. The movement has courted Christians over the past four years, but the strategy to convert clergy and hold constitutionalist training seminars in churches is fairly new.
In June 1994, the Constitutionalist Networking Center kicked off a conference in the Indianapolis Baptist Temple with a home school band strumming "Dixie" while Rev. John Lewis marched on stage, yelling "yee haw!" and unfurled his ministerial robe to reveal a Revolutionary uniform. Lewis declared, "That ought to be our national anthem. Those are the values your granddaddies died for."
More than 125 Christian Patriots broke into objective pursuit teams to plot methods of reclaiming the country from the evil grip of "socialists" conspiring a global government. The "Education/Motivation of Pastors" team reported its goals were to "inform every pastor of the pitfalls of incorporation, the need for a national repentance and a return to His principles of government as secured for Americans by the Constitution, and the role pastors should play in helping to restore constitutional intent."
The report was co-authored by Greg Dixon, pastor of the Indianapolis Baptist Temple, a member of the Constitutionalist Networking Center board of directors and former secretary of the Moral Majority. Less than two years earlier, in 1992, Dixon addressed a gathering of militia leaders and white supremacists organized by Christian Identity leader Pastor Pete Peters at a Colorado YMCA camp, said researcher Leonard Zeskind. Nearly 150 "neo-Nazis and Christian Patriots" attended the conference to hear Dixon, Gun Owners of America leader Larry Pratt, Aryan Nations chief Richard Butler, Aryan Nations leader and former Texas Klansman Louis Beam, Militia of Montana founder John Trochmann, and white supremacist attorney Kirk Lyons.
In April 1995, the Antioch Baptist Church in Bismark, North Dakota, drew 50 people to hear Eugene Schroder and Graham County, Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack, author of From My Cold Dead Fingers. According to the Bismark Tribune, the meeting was coordinated by Pastor Todd Dennis who said, "Just like 200 years ago when our founding fathers questioned their government, so are we."
In September 1995, Montana Freemen member Frank Ellena was arrested on a fugitive warrant after concluding a seminar on common law courts at the Mesa Bible Church in Arizona. In a letter to the Arizona Republic newspaper in Ellena's defense, Cheryl K. Burgess, a Wickenburg town council member, explained, "The movement is Christian, and a lot of people do not understand that when you take God's law or the common law away, you are under man's injustice and whims called law."
In April 1996, more than 50 ministers gathered at a constitution seminar in an Ocala, Florida church to hear Schroder and attorney Larry Becraft. George Hall, co-founder of Middle Income Citizens of America, the group that organized and videotaped the seminar, said Christian Patriot study groups are meeting in independent churches, "the only free religious institutions. Conventional churches are influenced by an unseen power... invisible government."
Like patriot peers, Hall is angry with perceived Jewish-controlled mainstream media. "If you say homosexuality is wrong," he said, "they'll brand you a homophobic. If you're not careful about what you say about Jewish people, they brand you anti-Semitic. If you're not careful about what you say about coloreds, they brand you a racist. If it's a true statement, it's not racist, not anti-Semitic."
As Zeskind noted, a fluid movement blurs lines between the right wing movements. One example is Ross Perot's political education conference in Dallas last year. United We Stand America members, a Catholic priest-led Operation Rescue team, Christian Patriots, and the Texas Constitutional Militia networked in the civic center, as well as at nearby hotels.
The mix of Bible references, invocation of Jesus Christ and fear of the new world order is tantalizing rhetoric to tap the "silent majority" awakened by Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition and Dr. James Dobson's Focus on the Family empire of millions. Dobson is listed as a resource in Patriot USA magazine, and his radio program airs on Patriot Radio Network. Can the Christian Coalition be far behind?
At the Colorado Christian Coalition Presidential Candidates Forum in Denver this past January, the only candidate to show was Charles Collins, a Christian Patriot from Florida who usually travels with a bodyguard, who publishes a patriot newspaper, and who belongs to a New Mexico militia.
In addition to a half-dozen Christian Patriot candidates courting votes for local seats, the movement wooed recruits in the exhibit hall. Clad in a tricornered Revolutionary soldier hat and armed with a musket, Ted Gunderson's campaign aide Douglas Millar hawked "$3 Queer Reserve Notes" (lampooning the Federal Reserve System currency), patriot literature, and conspiracy videos of the Waco fiasco and the Oklahoma City bombing. John Birch Society organizers Dennis Falk and George Sechrist sold The New American magazine and a myriad of books exposing the evil New World Order schemes. The U.S. Taxpayers Party promoted gutting government-funded "activities to encourage homosexual conduct" to dismantling the welfare system because "the message of Christian charity is fundamentally at odds with the concept of welfare rights."
Colorado Christian Coalition director Marty Nalitz, a radio talk show host formerly with USA Patriot network, is credited with forming a united conservative voting bloc of coalition members, pro-lifers, patriots, and militia troops. Nalitz has also stumped for presidential contender Pat Buchanan at Republican club meetings and hosted a live radio broadcast from Buchanan's pep and patriot rally just hours after the New Hampshire Primary victory.
As much as the Christian Patriot movement is trying to distance itself from bigotry, it continues a cooperative relationship with Christian Identity zealots such as Pastor Pete Peters, who promotes the separation of races to keep Aryan genes pure and demands the death penalty for homosexuals through his books, radio and satellite television shows, a worldwide web page, and Scriptures for America newsletter.
Earlier this summer, Peters invited ministers, church leaders and communicators of all faiths to a conference entitled "Israel Identity" at the YMCA camp near Estes Park, Colorado. The conference brochure promoted a mix of preacher and patriot speakers, including Martin "Red" Beckman, Montana tax resister and "grandfather" of the Fully Informed Jury Association. According to Peters, the conference was organized by leaders of Baptist, Church of Christ, Lutheran, Episcopal and Catholic faiths.
"There is a teaching spreading from church to church, silently crossing denominational lines and frequently bypassing church leaders," Peters proclaimed in the conference brochure. "It is rapidly being embraced in patriot groups and conservative movements through the land."
| How I Came to the Preterist View |
by Pastor David Young
After being in Baptist churches from the age of 12, the only end-times teaching I had ever received was from a dispensational point of view. Through the years, I noticed among dispensationalists such an emphasis on grace that Gods laws were thought of as not applicable for believers today. Still, this did not directly raise a problem with pre-millennial eschatology. The problem came after having taken classes on the subject, spending a lot of time in the pew and doing my own personal studies. I wasnt grasping it at all!
Last February, a pastor friend invited my family to his church in North Dakota to be involved in a ministry and just plain get away to something different. During our stay, he began showing me prophecies that had been fulfilled through Christs first advent. His contention being that all inheritances through the promises are found in Christ for every believer, not just for a future generation of physical descendants.
I began studying and researching on my own. I discovered that the roots of dispensationalism were founded in belief that justification through faith in the blood of Christ alone was limited to the Church Age, thus the name given it Age of Grace.
I returned home to Indianapolis in July and started a church. This motivated my studies even more and by late November, I was teaching that all prophecy was fulfilled.
For a time now I have been studying straight from the Bible and nothing else. After setting aside newsletters from Quest for four months, I felt prepared to look them over. I called its editors to see if they really did believe that ALL prophecy had been fulfilled. I not only found this to be so, but that there is a name for this position, Preterist. My pastor friend in North Dakota is also a full preterist.
Pastor David Young can be reached at 317-359-3097. His address is Reconciled Baptist Church; 2145 South Bolton Avenue; Indianapolis, Indiana 45203
Quest , Vol. II No. 3 March. 1997