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"Romano-Judaean Eschaton" View Dates to
Before 63 B.C.
Church-State
Relations and the Book of Revelation
An Introduction to
The Parousia
by
James Stuart Russell (1878)
Written by
Todd
Dennis, Curator
February 5, 2013
The
Idealist method of interpretation has had a long association
with Preterism. Examples can be traced back to St.
Augustine,
Origen
Adamantius,
Justin Martyr, and to the author of Hebrews -- not to mention
the Apocalypse of John. Recent scholarship has been no
less enlightening.
Charles Homer Giblin
(1929-2002) expresses this idea well:
“The fate of
Jerusalem is brought about by two major facts. First, the people
are insensitive to the terms for peace... Second, the
rulers of the people (the Romans not excepted, but not
considered as primarily responsible) have committed injustice
and thus bring about the ruin of the people. The fate of
Jerusalem, however, is not ultimately weighed as an event in
itself - it is a sign for others, and is expressly related to
time for judgment of nations.
All this proves to be relevant,
parabolically, to Luke's readership, a man of affluence and influence,
educated, who is expected to perceive in "a history" what should
be done and what should be avoided, to discern models of good
and of evil, with their consequences for society as he knows it.
In effect, Luke's lesson apropos of his account of Jerusalem's
destruction is to be construed as a question prompted in the
typed reader's mind: If this is what happened to Jerusalem
because of the way Jesus and those who represent him, his
disciples, were treated, what will happen to my
city/nation/society if he (and his followers, who stand for him)
are treated similarly? What am I, as a respected man with some
influence, expected to do?”
(The
Destruction of Jerusalem According to Luke's Gospel: A
Historical-Typological Moral,
Biblical Institute Press, 1985, 123 pages),
viii
DANIEL'S SEVENTY WEEK COMPLETELY
FULFILLED BY AD70, TAUGHT BY MEN COMPLETELY WITHIN THE "ORTHODOX" REALM:
Chronological
Treatise on Daniel's Weeks
Benjamin Marshall
"Second Generation Modern Preterist"
(1725)
Wherein is evidently shewn the Accomplishment of the Predicted Events,
As Especially Of the Cutting Off of the Messiah after the Predicted VII
Weeks and LXII Weeks, according to the Express Letter of the Prophecy,
and in most exact Agreement with Ptolemy's Canon ; So Also Of the
Destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans, in the LXXth, or separate One
Week, in the Litteral, Obvious, and Primary Sense
1. "To finish the transgression,"
- This was fulfilled. (Matt 21:33-45; 23:32,35,36,38;
Luke 11:47-51;
1
Thess. 2:14-16)
2. "Make an end of sins,"
- This was fulfilled. (John 1:29; Matt 1:21; Acts 10:43; Hebrews 9:12-14,26;
10:9-14)
3. "Make reconciliation for iniquity," - This was fulfilled. (Romans
5:8-11; II Cor. 5:17-21; Hebrews 2:17; Col 1:12-21)
4. "Bring in everlasting righteousness," - This was fulfilled. (Romans 3:21-26;
4:13; 5:17,18; 9:30,31; 14:17 (Isa. 51:8) ; Hebrews 9:12; II Thess 2:16; I Cor. 1:30; 2 Cor. 9:9)
5. "Seal up vision and prophecy," - This was fulfilled. (Matthew 13:14,15
(cf. Isaiah 6:9,10); 17:5; John 1:1; 12:39-41; Acts 7:37; 28:25-27;
Romans 1:1-2,
3:21,
16:25-26;
Ephesians 2:11-17; 3:3-6; Colossians 1:26; Hebrews 1:1-2; I Peter 1:9-11; II Peter 1:19-21)
- "blindness"(Is 8:16; 29:11; Daniel 8:26; 12:4; Matt
13:03-23; 22:29; Luke 24:44-47; John 12:37-41; Acts 3:17; 13:27; 28:23-29; Rom
9:32-33; 11:7-10,25; I Cor 1:22-23; 2:6-8; II Cor 3:14; I Pet 2:7-8; Revelation
10:4; 22:10)
6. "Anoint the most holy (or holy place)." - This was fulfilled. (Matthew 3:15-17; Luke 4:18;
John 1:32; Acts 2:32,33,38,39; 4:26,27; 10:37,38,44,45;
Hebrews 9:22-24 / Not Physical Temple -
Acts 7:48-49)
Note that all of these
point to Calvary for fulfillment... not AD70. Score six for "AD
30 Preterism", and all within a fully "orthodox theology"!
See Also
David Chilton,
Hugo Grotius,
Thomas
Hayne,
Gregory
Sharpe,
Herbert Thorndike //
Daniel's Seventy Weeks
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THE DOOMSDAY DEMENTIA
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Dispensationalist / Christian Zionist Writings From
Numerous Viewpoints
The Dispensationalist view of bible prophecy teaches that the nation of Israel is
still waiting for its kingdom and King, as well as the reception of the inheritances of the biblical 'Abrahamic Covenant'. Accordingly, they teach, the Second Coming and Great Tribulation
are right around the corner to settle world affairs. The political collaboration between the United States and the State of Israel is,
in part, influenced by the theo-politics brought about by the merging of Zionism
and Dispensationalism.
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Modern
Preterism
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John Lightfoot:
A Commentary of the New Testament from the
Talmud and Hebraica (1658) "That the destruction of
Jerusalem and the whole Jewish state is described as if the whole
frame of the world were to be dissolved. Nor is it strange, when God
destroyed his habitation and city, places once so dear to him, with
so direful and sad an overthrow; his own people, whom he accounted
of as much or more than the whole world beside, by so dreadful and
amazing plagues. Matt. 24:29,30, 'The sun shall be darkened &c. Then
shall appear the 'sign of the Son of man,' &c; which yet are said to
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FIRST-GENERATION MODERN PRETERIST BOOK
BY THE FATHER OF ENGLISH EXEGESIS
Henry Hammond
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PARAPHRASE
and
ANNOTATIONS
Upon all the Books
of the New Testament
(1653)
“This was the first commentary of any length to be published in the
English language,” E. Early Ellis
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Herbert Thorndike Study
Archive - First generation
Modern Preterist, opposing the Historicist systems of Protestant England
while Canon of Westminster
"He asserted that the main scope and drift of the Apocalypse was to foretell
the conversion of the Roman Empire to Christianity, the climax being reached
with the coming of Constantine, followed by the Millennium (interpreted in a
spiritual sense)"
Marshall:
"First, As to
Grotius,
What hath he said as to the accomplishment of this part of the Prophecy ? --
Hath he referr'd it to the Destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans only in a
Secondary Sense? -- So far from it, that he hath actually referred the
Expressions taken by our blessed Saviour (In Matt. 24:15) from the Prophet
Daniel immediately, and primarily to that Destruction. He hath (In Matt. 24:15
Jesus respects Daniel 9:27) positively told us that Christ had regard here to
Daniel 9:27. In other places of Daniel, he saith, We grant to the Jews, (and we
do so likewise to this Writer,) the Prophet treats of the times of Antioch
Epiphanes, but no so here. -- Grotius goes on to expose the great absurdity of
the modern Jews, their referring this place of Daniel to the times of Antiochus
: Whereas the ancient Jews, as he also tells us, understood it of the
Destruction of Jerusalem. (vii,viii)"
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Preterism and Universalism - Are They The Perfect
Match? "This is a healthy debate between 2 Christian brothers.
David B. Curtis - a preterist, Calvinist and pastor of Berean Bible Church
and Richard Wayne Garganta - a teacher of universal salvation with a
preterist leaning. Richard is a theologian, writer, preacher and teacher
with a television ministry in Rhode Island. Richard is responding to David
Curtis's article on the preterist archive website."
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James Stuart Russell's "Gospel Universalist"
Conclusion to The Parousia "That
favoured apostle who more than any other seems to have comprehended ‘the
breadth, and length, and depth, and height of the love of Christ,’ suggests
to us ideas of the extent and efficiency of the great redemption which our
latent incredulity can scarcely receive. " (Is 'postponement' the best
solution to the "Universalist conundrum"?)
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Preterist-Idealism
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Wilhelm Martin Leberecht
De Wette
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An Historico-Critical Introduction to the
Canonical Books of the New Testament
(1826 PDF) "However strongly the historic standpoint is to be
asserted, we must yet insist also that the work contains an ideally
prophetic element, which has force even for us."
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Todd Dennis:
Introduction to a Hybrid of Preterism and
Idealism
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Hebrews 12:25-29: Jerusalem as the Heart
(2006) "Looking closer at
the "promised land," we can see how the spiritual intent was
revealed through fulfilled prophecy in Israel's day. Though
there was an appearance in the promises to Abraham of an ultimate
fulfillment in reference to the everlasting possession of a
particular tract of land in history, we know from New
Testament revelation that the intent was regarding spiritual things
in Christ. Though the promise found natural fulfillment
in "Preterist Israel", it was given to signify the true, greater
fulfillment in "Idealist Israel" -- with actual participants from
all nations, throughout all generations (including ours).
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Best Independent
Summation Yet
C.
Preterist Idealism
This
system was first developed by former Full Preterist
Todd Dennis,
and presented at the first annual Carlsbad Eschatology Conference in
2007 (hosted by Kurt Simmons); though it integrates
elements from Preterism and other systems. Preterist
Idealism
teaches that the historical fulfillment of prophecy constitutes only the
shadows of an eternal spiritual substance which believers obtain in
Christ. New Testament typology is vertical rather than
horizontal; and meant to point to the higher realties of the Christian
life, rather than foreshadow things to come. Idealism relies heavily
on the allegorical interpretation of prophetic texts.
The system has a small number of adherents, most of them former
Full Preterists.
http://preteristnews.com/2010/04/27/a-brief-survey-of-christian-eschatology/
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Willibald Beyschlag,
New
Testament Theology
(1895)
"The common error.. of conceiving the parousia as a single historical event
instead of the whole course of Christ's victory and triumph over the
historical world, dominates also the writer of the Apocalypse. But this
error marks simply the necessary limits of prophecy, which Paul describes in
the words (1 Cor. xiii. 12): "Now we see (in our prophecy) through a glass
in a riddle, but then face to face." To see the things of the future face to
face is granted only to the after life ; to him who looks forward the future
appears only in the mirror of the present ; the symbol of the future hovers
before him in the signs of his time. Hence the conflict of Christian history
and the hope of eternal victory were to the writer of the Apocalypse
symbolically reflected in the confusions of his time ; and if he saw close
at hand the eternal triumph of the kingdom of God, he simply erred in the
same way as Isaiah or his greater post-Exilic successor, the former of whom
expected that the Assyrian oppression and deliverance from it, and the
latter that the Babylonian captivity and deliverance, alone separated them
from the Messianic salvation." (This is
a "must read" for anyone investigating a hybrid preterist view of any sort)
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AD70 is awesome! ..when used as a template of how
Jesus has worked, is working, and will work. When seen as a single
working 2,000 years ago... not so much.
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OFFICIAL TERM FOR AD70 / 135
"The ‘destruction of Israel’"
"A historic document that can be definitely
dated based on a reference to a historical event such as the ‘destruction of
Israel’ has never been discovered."

NEW SPECIES OF "JUDEAN DESERT" FRAGMENT. SEEMS
CERTAIN TO POST-DATE ENTIRE DSS CORPUS, SO SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN RECOVERED FROM A
DIFFERENT CACHE
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Fragment from
AD 74 or 139 Discovered in police bust "Unusually,
the first line of the document indicates a precise date, the IAA said -
"Year 4 [AD] to the destruction of Israel", which could indicate either
AD74, when Jerusalem's Second Temple was destroyed, or AD139, the date of a
Jewish revolt violently put down by Rome.
Roman Emperor Constantine the.. Preterist!
"I am filled with wonder at the intellectual greatness of the emperor, who
as if by divine inspiration thus expressed what the prophets had foretold
concerning this monster"
Eusebius
Handel's Messiah & The Destruction of Jerusalem
“Messiah” lovers may be surprised to
learn that the work was meant not for Christmas but for Lent, and that the
“Hallelujah” chorus was designed not to honor the birth or resurrection of
Jesus but to celebrate the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple in
A.D. 70. For most Christians in Handel’s day, this horrible event was
construed as divine retribution on Judaism for its failure to accept Jesus
as God’s promised Messiah. // The resurrected
Jesus, sitting at the right hand of God, unleashed his anger on the Jews by
having the Roman armies lay waste to Jerusalem and its temple in A.D. 70.
The Christian Flight to Pella "The
approach of His general judgment ended the persecution; and when the godly
were provided for at Pella, the unbelievers perished by the Roman swoh-century.html">Thomas
Manton)
Jewish Sources: Lamentations 4:17 "Our
eyes still fail to see our help which we expected to come from the
Romans, but which turned to naught for us. In hope we watched for
the Edomites who were a nation which could not save. They
prowled our paths so that we could not walk safely in our open
places. We said, "Our end is near; our days are fulfilled," for our
end had come." (Targum
Lamentations)
Curator Todd Dennis
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(FORMER FUTURIST & PRETERIST
PASTOR;
IDEALIST
SINCE 2005) |